UFC 247 Live Discussion - 2/8/20

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Rambo John J

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Anyways

Predictable result

I always thought Jones getting a decision was best bet



LOL rogan sucking Jones off to end the broadcast...hilairouso way to end the broadcast shillboyz
 

Lamont Cranston

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I see that

but one of the takedown was initiated Jones got rocked hard...so he just shot for legs
Agreed.

Take downs need to be looked at set aside in stages to be scored.

But I can't see ANY athletic commission figuring out how to do that.
 

sparkuri

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2nd round was the swing round. 48-47 either way.
This is interesting, I've seen it posted a few times.
Iirc, Reyes took it for the first 2 minutes, Jones took the next two minutes, then Reyes tipped it for the next 30 seconds with good shots & Jones didn't make a comeback.
To me judging on implented criteria, the 3rd round was closest.
 

Enock-O-Lypse Now!

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I never hear about points being scored when pulling guard.
Pulling guard would be a wash ...

Takedown should be credited with some value but if the opponent immedialty gets back to his feet and is able to separate should also be given credit with value ...so if both is to occur back to back it should be a wash as well in regards to scoring ...IMO

The scoring system is obviously flawed ...it’s like when Shogun Vs Machida 1 went down and Cecil peoples scores the fight in Machida a favor later stating “leg kicks don’t win fights”.
 

La Paix

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Pulling guard would be a wash ...

Takedown should be credited with some value but if the opponent immedialty gets back to his feet and is able to separate should also be given credit with value ...so if both is to occur back to back it should be a wash as well in regards to scoring ...IMO

The scoring system is obviously flawed ...it’s like when Shogun Vs Machida 1 went down and Cecil peoples scores the fight in Machida a favor later stating “leg kicks don’t win fights”.
Same point I was making. Getting a guy down by whatever means then him getting back up doesn't account for much. Watching guys dive for a hail Mary TD with 20 seconds on the clock shouldn't be a thing.
 

Joemacka

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This is interesting, I've seen it posted a few times.
Iirc, Reyes took it for the first 2 minutes, Jones took the next two minutes, then Reyes tipped it for the next 30 seconds with good shots & Jones didn't make a comeback.
To me judging on implented criteria, the 3rd round was closest.
I saw 1&3 clearly reyes 4&5 Jones. Now because im not a fan of Jones i try not to be bias so id have to watch that 2nd again but i gave it to him at thr time but it was very close.
 

MMAHAWK

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They'd be complete under IBJJF rules (Yes, I know this isn't IBJJF) I'm just trying to figure out how they arrived at this conclusion.
So basically Maia had 300 takedowns vs Woodley, Usman, and Covington.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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Pulling guard would be a wash ...

Takedown should be credited with some value but if the opponent immedialty gets back to his feet and is able to separate should also be given credit with value ...so if both is to occur back to back it should be a wash as well in regards to scoring ...IMO

The scoring system is obviously flawed ...it’s like when Shogun Vs Machida 1 went down and Cecil peoples scores the fight in Machida a favor later stating “leg kicks don’t win fights”.
Pulling guard should be scored as a takedown because you're putting yourself in a disadvantagous position with a few notable exceptions. That being said, the judges should be knowledgeable enough to be able to tell the difference. Or, if someone wanted to pull guard and do somethign with the position score it accordingly, if you pull guard and get your brains beat in, again score it accordingly.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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So basically Maia had 300 takedowns vs Woodley, Usman, and Covington.
I don't think Maia ever took Woodley down and kept him there for 3 seconds, anytime he'd get a grip Woodley would fucking run away. Woodley also should have been penalized for actively disengaging. Don't remember the Colby or Usman fights.
 

MMAHAWK

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I don't think Maia ever took Woodley down and kept him there for 3 seconds, anytime he'd get a grip Woodley would fucking run away. Woodley also should have been penalized for actively disengaging. Don't remember the Colby or Usman fights.
I was joking
Seems like you actually had to take a fighter down to have a takedown for 97% history of the sport. Like actually make then touch the mat beyond a knee.
 

Papi Chingon

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I don't think Maia ever took Woodley down and kept him there for 3 seconds, anytime he'd get a grip Woodley would fucking run away. Woodley also should have been penalized for actively disengaging. Don't remember the Colby or Usman fights.
Nobody remembers colby or usman fights because they are boring.
 

Γαλάνης

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Lots of times we get caught up seeing an "invincible" guy get rattled and shit, and think things are a robbery. This was a super close fight. I did think Reyes won. But I'm not gonna deny that it could have been an emotional bias/reaction when seeing Jones get lit up a bit. He was the one moving forward, and got those takedowns. Which IMO shouldn't mean much, but I guess by criteria, that stuff counts.

I thought Reyes won 3-2. Gotta watch again.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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I was joking
Seems like you actually had to take a fighter down to have a takedown for 97% history of the sport. Like actually make then touch the mat beyond a knee.
I'd like to see a judge use a loose interpretation of the rules and judge fights based on the outcomes of rounds rather than the individual components. Hard to explain, but it would get away from rounds being one or lost on "One big event"
 

Γαλάνης

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Just heard on the post show that 2 judges had round 2 scored for Jones

Which was THE most clear round of the fight... which Reyes won.

Wow.