General NATO member Turkey now openly fighting to protect Al-Qaeda/ISIS in Syria

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Megaterio Llamas said:

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It's a good case study into how you can carefully calibrate propaganda to adjust to new circumstances. The media went from talking about 'moderate rebels' to just not mentioning who was in control of the areas at all.

You would think Assad and Russia are literally just bombing civilians for the sake of it if you watched mainstream news.

Tug on the heart strings about civilians being killed, and just don't mention that the 'good guys' we are trying to protect are al-Qaeda.
 
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at least there will be no war when covid19 reaches that region and seems like it's on it's way since Iran is now contaminated.

covid19 might unite the world~ instead of shooting people, they'll send aid (hopefully)
 
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List of conflicts

Name Result
1 First Russo-Turkish War Russian military victory[36]
2 Second Russo-Turkish War Indecisive[24]:41
Treaty of Bakhchisarai[37]
3 Third Russo-Turkish War
(subset of the Great Turkish War) Habsburg, Polish-Lithuanian, Russian, and Venetian victory[38]
Treaty of Karlowitz and Treaty of Constantinople: Russia gains possession of Azov and the fortresses of Taganrog, Pavlovsk, and Mius[38]
4 Fourth Russo-Turkish War
(subset of the Great Northern War) Ottoman victory[33]:41
Treaty of Pruth and Treaty of Adrianople (1713): Russia cedes Azov to the Ottoman Empire and demolishes the fortresses of Taganrog, Kodak, Novobogoroditskaya, and Kamenny Zaton
Russia agrees to stop meddling in the affairs of the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth
5 Fifth Russo-Turkish War (also known as the Austro-Russian-Turkish War)

Treaty of Belgrade: Habsburgs cede the Kingdom of Serbia with Belgrade, the southern part of the Banat of Temeswar and northern Bosnia to the Ottomans, and Oltenia, gained by the Treaty of Passarowitz in 1718, to Wallachia (an Ottoman subject), and set the demarcation line to the rivers Sava and Danube
Treaty of Niš (3 October 1739):[39][40] Russia gives up territorial claims to Ottoman Moldova and Bessarabia; Ottomans allow construction of demilitarized Russian trade port at Azov.[39]

6 Sixth Russo-Turkish War Russian victory[12][1]:744[41]:205–214
Treaty of Küçük Kaynarca: Ottoman Empire cedes Kerch, Enikale, Kabardia and part of Yedisan to Russia; Crimean Khanate becomes a Russian client state
7 Seventh Russo-Turkish War Russian victory[42][1]:745[41]:393–426
Treaty of Jassy: Russia annexes Ozi, Ottomans recognize Russian annexation of the Crimean Khanate
8 Eighth Russo-Turkish War Russian victory[43]
Treaty of Bucharest (1812): Russia annexes Bessarabia
9 Ninth Russo-Turkish War Russian victory[44]
Treaty of Adrianople (1829): Russia occupies the Danubian Principalities, Greek independence from the Ottoman Empire
10 Crimean War (1853–56) Ottoman, British, French and Piedmontese victory[45]
Treaty of Paris (1856): mutual demilitarization of the Black Sea, Russia cedes Moldavia and recognizes de jure Ottoman suzerainty over Danubian Principalities
11 Tenth Russo-Turkish War Russian and allied victory[46]
De jure independence of Romania, Serbia and Montenegro and de facto independence of Bulgaria from the Ottoman Empire
Territory of Kars Oblast and Batum Oblast ceded to Russia
12 World War I:[47]
German, Austro-Hungarian, and Ottoman victory
Treaty of Brest-Litovsk
Treaty of Kars: Russian territory gained in 1878 receded to the Ottoman Empire
 
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conor mcgregor nut hugger said:
What is worrying is the possible invocation of Article 5. No indication yet that Turkey is going to do it, though.

I thought that an attack had to be on the NATO member's territory for it to invoke Article 5 but that's not the case.
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The NATO ambassador seems to be suggesting the US will get more involved, but Esper had previously suggested otherwise.

The one worrying part is the allegation that Erdogan is blackmailing Trump with evidence that Kushner essentially greenlighted the Kashoggi murder. Probably not true, but Trump did fold to Erdogan out of nowhere with the Kurds.

And Turkey is already blackmailing Europe with the threat of releasing a wave of refugees. Turkey does have a slightly concerning amount of leverage.

But if anyone in power has any sense, no matter how cynical or evil your geopolitical goals are, what's the endgame here? Perpetually fight Syria, Russia, Iran and Hezbollah to ensure the survival of an al-Qaeda caliphate in a small pocket of Syria? Risk nuclear war over the same issue? These are insane options.

You would think even with Turkey's threats, NATO will tell them to fuck off.
 
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CreativeClassMauler said:
It's crazy how close the world is to being sucked into a major conflict between NATO and Russia in order to protect radical Islamic terrorists, and barely anyone is even aware of it. If you handed that script in to a movie studio, it would be tossed out as ridiculously far-fetched.

It's still more likely that a settlement will be reached, but with Turkish troops now dying regularly and Russia seemingly not backing down, it's a more realistic scenario than people think.
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In any sane world this isn't an issue. But with Trump and his utter stupidness and awe for erdogan it has 5% chance of being reality.

But it's really not going to happen. The mere fact that there is a pathway to this scenario is concerning enough though.
 
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CreativeClassMauler said:
Already using their leverage.

LOL at the Europeans. They thought they could just follow the US into its wars without any consequences and their union is going to collapse because of it.
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We knew. But the boss class of the EU want this cheap labour.
 
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Fingers said:
In any sane world this isn't an issue. But with Trump and his utter stupidness and awe for erdogan it has 5% chance of being reality.

But it's really not going to happen. The mere fact that there is a pathway to this scenario is concerning enough though.
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It's the refugee threat that makes it a credible possibility even if still unlikely. Erdogan has Europe by the balls - another refugee crisis and we are seriously looking at the possible demise of the EU, and they know that. Which means they can be pushed into desperation.

It's not the existence of Article 5 that's the problem. It's the leverage Turkey has in invoking it.
 
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CreativeClassMauler said:
It's the refugee threat that makes it a credible possibility even if still unlikely. Erdogan has Europe by the balls - another refugee crisis and we are seriously looking at the possible demise of the EU, and they know that. Which means they can be pushed into desperation.

It's not the existence of Article 5 that's the problem. It's the leverage Turkey has in invoking it.
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The threat is enough for the EU to make the border hard. It's not like the states. The land border is a relative bottle neck.

The issue is whether the people that run the EU want to stop the flow. We know that the people coming over will be men under 30. We are constantly told our birthrate is going down. Maybe they want the decision taken out of their hands.

When I get to work I will post an amazing channel four piece about how the Russians are committing war crimes by targeting hospitals in areas you say are Al Qaeda. I do think you're being harsh on this.
 
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Fingers said:
We knew. But the boss class of the EU want this cheap labour.
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That cheap labour is going to bring down the EU. Capitalists fuck up all the time - that's the system's nature. This is basically what Keynes tried to explain to them - 'we can keep exploiting these cunts, but if you go too far they will fuck you'.

The EU now knows what a monumental fuck up they made in Syria and Libya. It wasn't some master plan that has worked perfectly. They want controlled cheap labour, not events that are going to give rise to anti-immigration parties which threaten the supply.
 
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Fingers said:
When I get to work I will post an amazing channel four piece about how the Russians are committing war crimes by targeting hospitals in areas you say are Al Qaeda. I do think you're being harsh on thi
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I can't tell if you're joking?

If you are...that's a knee slapper;)
 
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Megaterio Llamas said:
I can't tell if you're joking?

If you are...that's a knee slapper;)
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No I'm really not.

I'm thinking if the civilians that live there.

I don't know what percentage you class as Al Qaeda but is it worth killing tens of thousands of innocents to wipe them off the face of the earth?

Also it's the Russians doing this. So I'm not sure where you're at on this?

It's a bloody mess though. And sorry but this all stems from Trump pulling out the tiny force of observers that kept all this in check.

Stupidest thing he has done so far. And that's saying something.
 
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