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Splinty

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Modley over-stepped, it's more about everybody knowing that you wield the hammer than it is about driving the nail.
He's not letting this get resolved at the lowest level, he's fucking the Chain of Command from the top down...just like Crozier did from the bottom up.

Ffs.

Coronavirus: Trump defends Navy Capt. Crozier's firing

Trump making sure that it's not okay to have any opinion that this guy should be removed for fear you will be lumped in with all of this crap going on

specifically in that post he makes reference that the captain should not have stopped in Vietnam a couple weeks before which is where the infections probably came from. Which is absolutely nothing to do with the behavior of the captain.

There's an article out there talking about the reason for that port call. It was a huge FU to China in the middle of a Chinese caused pandemic to secure the local waters which are increasingly militarized with attempts to be stolen by China.

Acting Navy Secretary Thomas B. Modly, Navy Admiral Michael Gilday, Chief of Naval Operations, Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy Russell Smith and Rear Admiral Bruce Gillingham, Hold a News Conference at the Pentagon > U.S. DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE > Transcript
The admiral ordered them to make that stop for this reason.


I thought the change.org petition really highlighted how much this had become an issue well beyond military rules with people putting their own positions onto a singular event. Turns out that was just the beginning. This is beyond stupid.
 
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Ffs.

Coronavirus: Trump defends Navy Capt. Crozier's firing

Trump making sure that it's not okay to have any opinion that this guy should be removed for fear you will be lumped in with all of this crap going on

specifically in that post he makes reference that the captain should not have docked in Vietnam a couple weeks before which is where the infections probably came from.

There's an article out there talking about the reason for that docking. It was a huge FU to China in the middle of a Chinese caused pandemic to secure the local waters which are increasingly militarized with attempts to be stolen by China.

Acting Navy Secretary Thomas B. Modly, Navy Admiral Michael Gilday, Chief of Naval Operations, Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy Russell Smith and Rear Admiral Bruce Gillingham, Hold a News Conference at the Pentagon > U.S. DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE > Transcript
The admiral ordered them to make that stop for this reason.


I thought the change.org petition really highlighted how much this had become an issue well beyond military rules with people putting their own positions onto a singular event. Turns out that was just the beginning. This is beyond stupid.
don’t criticize ur commander in chief mister
 

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don’t criticize ur commander in chief mister

I'm not in uniform today and the first amendment says I'm allowed to have an opinion here. At least as far as I've gone.

I did see you hammer that nail. I was so proud of you
 
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Well fuck me. It got politicked about.
Open in an incognito tab to get around pay wall...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...s-him-fired-inside-ouster-capt-brett-crozier/

@conor mcgregor nut hugger
I don't want to keep messing up the coronavirus thread. I think it's important information thread.

so I'm posting it here and it does kind of have to do with politics.
This doesn't change my opinion that he is a justified removal. Another captain wrote a letter today in an opinion piece that states that a lot of the people cc'd aren't even in the Navy. That just further justifies my opinion that you have to remove the guy for breaking the chain of the command. You're stuck doing it.
But it looks like the Navy side wanted to get rid of him at a different time. He boned up the way he did it but they are trying to get their leaders to come forward with this kind of stuff up the chain. The worry is that now they won't do that either.
So justified removal but timing counterproductive.

Well it turns out that the Navy brass got overruled by the appointed civilian DODs.

That makes this removal look like or actually be an undue command influence.

I still think you have to remove the guy unless some new facts come to light. Ship was already in port and Navy already getting guys off the ship and testing people. There are public statements about it. They're in Guam. He lit them up in the middle of it in the most non-chain way possible. Enlisted will love this but it's not the right way.

But to give you a point, I'm really uncomfortable with the aspect that the only reason he was removed right now instead of later was civilian politics overriding command climate.
My cousin spent 6 years in the Navy. When I told him that the Navy said the chain of command wasn't followed, he replied, "of course they did."

He's been pretty critical since the time he was still enlisted of how top level CO's on down to NCO's only look to protect themselves by playing the blame game (in this case blaming Crozier for everything) whenever shit goes down.

Time will tell how desperate Crozier was and why he didn't follow the chain of command. For the time being I still don't see it likely that a guy of his stature would risk throwing everything away like that unless it came down to saving lives.
 

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My cousin spent 6 years in the Navy. When I told him that the Navy said the chain of command wasn't followed, he replied, "of course they did."

He's been pretty critical since the time he was still enlisted of how top level CO's on down to NCO's only look to protect themselves by playing the blame game (in this case blaming Crozier for everything) whenever shit goes down.

Time will tell how desperate Crozier was and why he didn't follow the chain of command. For the time being I still don't see it likely that a guy of his stature would risk throwing everything away like that unless it came down to saving lives.

The fleet has had a poor history of command stuff in the news.
I'm just saying the guy's removal has a pure justification that you have to understand the military and how you just don't go screwing the chain or a response has to come. I'm not out for blood over it. If his leadership removed him or didn't remove him I wouldn't lose sleep because the foundation of a removal is absolutely there. I would lose sleep if they made a decision off of a change.org petition popularity contest. Or like in this case because a civilian DOD at the Pentagon is putting their thumb on the scale when the chain, including military brass at the Pentagon, wanted to intervene or remove him differently.

I know his move will be popular with the enlisted but that really isn't the measure here. But I do know that if he were to die from Coronavirus after this there'd probably be a mutiny.
 
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I'm not in uniform today and the first amendment says I'm allowed to have an opinion here. At least as far as I've gone.

I did see you hammer that nail. I was so proud of you
Thanks pa! Post a video of you hammering one now
 

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The fleet has had a poor history of command stuff in the news.
I'm just saying the guy's removal has a pure justification that you have to understand the military and how you just don't go screwing the chain or a response has to come. I'm not out for blood over it. If his leadership removed him or didn't remove him I wouldn't lose sleep because the foundation of a removal is absolutely there. I would lose sleep if they made a decision off of a change.org petition popularity contest. Or like in this case because a civilian DOD at the Pentagon is putting their thumb on the scale when the chain, including military brass at the Pentagon, wanted to intervene or remove him differently.

I know his move will be popular with the enlisted but that really isn't the measure here. But I do know that if he were to die from Coronavirus after this there'd probably be a mutiny.

Holy shit if this is real...


View: https://imgur.com/gallery/wy107Ru


Supposedly this is modlys speech on the 1mc or teddy Roosevelt crew.
That's so poorly written I assume its a troll but it was uploaded by someone that was in the Navy (doxxed) and the online Navy forums are in whispers about a speech that occurred.
So laugh and let's see if the audio leaks.
 

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Holy shit if this is real...


View: https://imgur.com/gallery/wy107Ru


Supposedly this is modlys speech on the 1mc or teddy Roosevelt crew.
That's so poorly written I assume its a cutie pie but it was uploaded by someone that was in the Navy (doxxed) and the online Navy forums are in whispers about a speech that occurred.
So laugh and let's see if the audio leaks.

@conor mcgregor nut hugger are you seeing this?
When I'm on call up in the middle of the night, I scoop the scoops!

‘Too Naive Or Too Stupid To Be CO’: Leaked Speech Transcript Shows Acting Navy Secretary Modly Trashing Fired Carrier Captain To Group Of Sailors


Daily caller doesn't care about accuracy so we are still waiting confirmation. But TMMAC still beating them by hours.
 

Splinty

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Holy shit if this is real...


View: https://imgur.com/gallery/wy107Ru


Supposedly this is modlys speech on the 1mc or teddy Roosevelt crew.
That's so poorly written I assume its a cutie pie but it was uploaded by someone that was in the Navy (doxxed) and the online Navy forums are in whispers about a speech that occurred.
So laugh and let's see if the audio leaks.

Holy shit.
Confirmed

Acting Navy Secretary Slams Fired Captain as ‘Stupid’

View: https://soundcloud.com/paul-szoldra/acting-secnav-modley-criticizing-capt-crozier-to-sailors-onboard-uss-theodore-roosevelt


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This is the most unprofessional stuff ever.
 

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I didn't listen and breezed through the written transcript but I take it the ships captain is a retard?
 

Splinty

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I didn't listen and breezed through the written transcript but I take it the ships captain is a retard?

I started its own thread for it because it's so crazy and it's going to blow up As the day goes on.
The biggest foul now belongs to the Secretary of the Navy.
If the captain screwed up by going overboard instead of through normal channels, The Secretary of the Navy just said "hold my beer".
 

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Who are you voting for this year?
I’m actually feeling like Americans are waking up and realizing we need a Prime President of North America. The only answer is this guy...



All these weird militia dudes saying “You can take my AK-47 out of my cold dead hands.”

This guy knocks at the door and says, “Give me all of your high powered automatic weapons” and these guys would all be, “Wait right here. I’ll go and get them. I don’t want any trouble.
 

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I’m actually feeling like Americans are walking up and realizing we need a Prime President of North America.



All these weird militia dudes saying “You can take my AK-47 out of my cold dead hands.”

This guy knocks at the door and says, “Give me all of your high powered automatic weapons” and these guys would all be, “Wait right here. I’ll go and get them. I don’t want any trouble.
Bastard of Che Guevara.