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He said RDA has better jitz than Nate. This was my reaction to such a ridiculous statement
McGregor: If the fight was against dos Anjos, I would have come out victorious
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Same guy who did this to Lauzon and Cerrone. RDA ate a heap of these kicks for breakfast, son. Look at Cerrone praying to Mecca and shit.
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For sure man. If RDA could eat those kicks from Pettis, he can eat a few shots from Conor - Not too many though, because we've seen what happened to everyone but Diaz when they take too many shots, but it will take a bit for RDA to bend, imo
How about looking at everything involving that, I noticed on another post that you just cherry-picked one thing and ran with it..
Nate started slow, he said so himself, he needed time. He had no camp, no sparing, no preparation. He just about 'woke up' and Conor was already done.
Was Conor ahead in the standup in round 1 and the start of round 2? I'd say so, yes.
Can you claim from that that his standup is better by a long shot? No.
Because we do not really know. Conor wilting as fast as he did robbed us from knowing that better. We don't have much to go on at all.
Just look at both fighters and the circumstances, will ya?
If I had to make a judgement now, I'd say offensively Conor has the better arsenal and more push. Also is more creative. But defensively and going by fundamentals.. Diaz all the way. What did win here?
Conor had a shot at beating RDA in the first, and I say this as someone who wanted to see Conor humbled ever since he started talking shit. Conor has heavy hands and can KO anyone at 145 or 155 if he connects cleanly. As an RDA fan, that fight made me nervous cause I knew RDA probably wanted to stand with Conor at least for the first few minutes to prove a point
hahaha, " I don't want to make excuses" but......
However, despite the loss, McGregor is confident that he would have beaten lightweight champ Rafael dos Anjos had the original main event remained intact.
"If the fight was what it was supposed to be, I would have come out victorious," McGregor told ESPN's Todd Grisham. "It is what it is."
According to McGregor, had he hit a fighter like featherweight Frankie Edgar or the lightweight champ, they would have crumbled as his previous opponents did.
"They fall, 100 percent. Nate is a completely different fighter."
LINK: McGregor: If the fight was against dos Anjos, I would have 'come out victorious'
yeah I had a gripe with "(Conor's) stand up game is way ahead of diaz's" too...
is Conor's striking game more crafty, technical and beautiful than Nate's? yeah! but didn't he get outboxed and turned into a wrestler? isn't tucking your chin part of striking technique? they boxed and Nate got the better of it didn't he?
this is like me getting the shit end against a buff bigger guy in the gym and saying "my standup is way ahead of his, I just couldn't use it because he's bigger"
conor has better striking, by a long shot. if the fight was 1 round, conor would win every single time.
yes his striking is better. no way to say otherwise. that being said, being a better striker doesn't mean you win every time. other circumstances come into play.
you can be the best striker in the world and have a weak chin. u can get knocked out every time but it doesn't take away from your striking ability.
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Cmac has more weapons on the feet than Nate, true. However the fights aren't one round, and having durability is very important for a striker.
Lol. So you are going to pull the glass cannon-card?
And even that you don't know for certain. A prepared Diaz might change your mind.
So striking really is only offence for you?
And if you got a weak chin, why would you not protect it? Does that sound like good striking?
Again, the glass-canon-argument is just asinine imho. Its not what fighting is about.
The fundamentals he showed here were crap. Technically the better boxer was Nate. What Conor did was trusting in his reflexes and timing in both offence and defence, and throw the left overhand or uppercut trying to force the KO, often overextending (bad) and being open.
Plus, both were pretty predictable, since he always did the same thing. That was it. Hardly any combinations or other strikes. Technically that's not very good nor diverse. Sorry pal. He didn't use his movement that much either, he tried to stay in the pocket with Diaz.
As far as kicking game goes, Nate hardly has any, but Conor's kick-selection and execution in this fight was so bad, you can only give him the nod because he did create some space and reactions here and there.
In most of Diaz recent losses, kicking played a very integral part. Conor should have used that. And maybe he could have. But we don't know is what I'm saying!
So, judging by this fight.. I have to say.. we do not know! But I am leaning towards Diaz on a technical standpoint alone. Does that mean I think Conor is a bad striker? No, of course not.
But the Diaz bros are often so underrated in what they do.. Are they unbeatable? Nope. But neither is Conor.
Using terms like 'way ahead' or something here.. is as overextended as McG was sometimes.
If we ever get a non-sloppy McG vs a prepared Diaz-match, lets talk about that again.
Edit: Conor almost fought like a more agile and precise Roy Nelson!
But Roy does have a chin on him, and fights on if he gasses. Do you consider Roy Nelson a better striker than Nate?
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I'm not saying Conor beats RDA (since the beginning I've questioned his choice to move up to 155 because of the threat guys like Ferguson and Khabib pose to him let alone his aspirations at 170) but it's a different fight.
Nate's reach/volume/pressure/high skill as far as standup is concerned are the main reason he outclassed Conor and beat him but there's truth to what he is saying, McGregor lost because of Nate's chin. Even if McGregor loses some power going up, most fighters would have not taken those shots Conor landed. Nobody has really truly KO'd or even really TKO'd Nate. RDA has been starched before so there's a conceivable way that Conor could beat him.
Nate has world beater level ju Jitsu and at the heavier weight being much longer than Conor, once Nate got him tired out and down on the mat it was over. I don't think that 'hole' in Conor's game is as easily exploited at 145. Edgar n Aldo thinking it's going to be easy to rely on their ground are going to find out like Mendes did that Conor can hold his own.
155 is interesting in that if he racks up some wins at 145 and defends his belt maybe McGregor moves up and tests the waters on the UFC level. I don't think if they give him an immediate title shot RDA will be his opponent when/if that time comes. It will be either Tony Furgeson or Khabib Nurmegomedov. I don't like his chances against either.
Nate's reach/volume/pressure/high skill as far as standup is concerned are the main reason he outclassed Conor and beat him but there's truth to what he is saying, McGregor lost because of Nate's chin. Even if McGregor loses some power going up, most fighters would have not taken those shots Conor landed. Nobody has really truly KO'd or even really TKO'd Nate. RDA has been starched before so there's a conceivable way that Conor could beat him.
Nate has world beater level ju Jitsu and at the heavier weight being much longer than Conor, once Nate got him tired out and down on the mat it was over. I don't think that 'hole' in Conor's game is as easily exploited at 145. Edgar n Aldo thinking it's going to be easy to rely on their ground are going to find out like Mendes did that Conor can hold his own.
155 is interesting in that if he racks up some wins at 145 and defends his belt maybe McGregor moves up and tests the waters on the UFC level. I don't think if they give him an immediate title shot RDA will be his opponent when/if that time comes. It will be either Tony Furgeson or Khabib Nurmegomedov. I don't like his chances against either.
RDA would have whooped him even worse than Nate did.
However, despite the loss, McGregor is confident that he would have beaten lightweight champ Rafael dos Anjos had the original main event remained intact.
"If the fight was what it was supposed to be, I would have come out victorious," McGregor told ESPN's Todd Grisham. "It is what it is."
According to McGregor, had he hit a fighter like featherweight Frankie Edgar or the lightweight champ, they would have crumbled as his previous opponents did.
"They fall, 100 percent. Nate is a completely different fighter."
LINK: McGregor: If the fight was against dos Anjos, I would have 'come out victorious'
that's why pro fighters don't train striking defense. they just punch bricks and kick banana trees to the death and if they lose they say "I would've won if I didn't get KOed".
if Conor had better striking "by a long shot" you would be able to just say that, period. without the stupid "if" theory;
his skills are better. that being said, having more skills doesn't mean you're the better striker;
striking is not about throwing everything with perfect technique. it is about using a bag of tricks to land strikes on someone. if you get knocked out every time you suck at striking.
That's my thoughts on McGregor, almost verbatim. I think he's had an awesome run, but I feel it was due more to circumstances, like beating Mendes on short notice and the fluke ending to the Aldo fight, and being unknown, which helped him be overlooked by almost all of his opponents, than to his actual skill set.
He's a top 10 FW for sure, probably a top five if he works his takedown defense, but he's got a lot of work to do to consistently beat the top guys like Aldo, Edgar, Mendes, and Holloway.
There's too many holes in his game. He's got the left and is very good at utilizing his reach. So far, we've seen him have no wrestling, not enough BJJ to keep from getting owned on the ground, and he's gassed if he doesn't finish the fight by early second round. He needs to stop the 155 and 170 talk for now and focus on shoring up his weaknesses. If so, he could be the next dominant FW champ.
RDA has great pressure, great at mixing up his striking and takedowns and his Jiu Jitsu would be more than enough too choke McGregor.
McGregor would have a better chance of KOing RDA, but would he get the chance?
Pettis barely got much off on RDA, he couldn't get anything going because of his pressure and his mix of strikes and grappling.
I think my money would be on RDA.
McGregor would have a better chance of KOing RDA, but would he get the chance?
Pettis barely got much off on RDA, he couldn't get anything going because of his pressure and his mix of strikes and grappling.
I think my money would be on RDA.
idk man.. some people are blessed with a chin, others are not so lucky... everyone's bound to get hit in a fight... the blessed ones can take it, others cant.
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Yes....but let's be fair about 2 things:
- he did fight up a couple weight classes against a guy who has the frame to legitimately make 170 (funny considering the post above).
- fighters learn more from losses- following this logic, he should be more dangerous than he was previously.