Under Pride rules maybe, but not under the 10-9. Jones took three rounds.Gus clearly beat Jon under the 10-9 scoring system.
Under Pride rules maybe, but not under the 10-9. Jones took three rounds.Gus clearly beat Jon under the 10-9 scoring system.
To be fair he's only had the shit beaten out of him one time.Not Gus's fault and nothing new JBJ is renowned for not training, but then he gets the shit beaten out of him and it's "Wahhhh! I didn't twain." Ye whatever.
The elbow was clearly the most impactful moment in that round, let alone the entire fight. That nullified everything leading up to it because if everything leading up to it was actually "effective striking", Jones wouldn't have landed it.Round 4 of Gus/Jones has always been an enigma for me. Gus was dominating it IMO but Jones landed that elbow that almost ended it and took over the rest of the fight. I would give it to Gus but have no issue giving it to Jones either.
Man that was a good fucking fight. Probably in my top 5.
He doesn't train that hard cause he's a lazy natural, he's not unique by any means in sport. Makjng excuses is because he knows he looses that fight if he didn't have the belt.To be fair he's only had the shit beaten out of him one time.
I saw an Instagram post where he said that he used to not train that hard so that he would have an excuse if he lost. At least he's being honest.
It's Gus's Round Jon won one exchange.Round 4 of Gus/Jones has always been an enigma for me. Gus was dominating it IMO but Jones landed that elbow that almost ended it and took over the rest of the fight. I would give it to Gus but have no issue giving it to Jones either.
One of my favorite fights as well.Round 4 of Gus/Jones has always been an enigma for me. Gus was dominating it IMO but Jones landed that elbow that almost ended it and took over the rest of the fight. I would give it to Gus but have no issue giving it to Jones either.
Man that was a good fucking fight. Probably in my top 5.
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. Like I said, I scored the fight 48-47 for Gus (giving him the first 3 rounds), but a score of 48-47 Jones or 49-46 Jones is completely rational imo.Makjng excuses is because he knows he looses that fight if he didn't have the belt.
49-46, Gus. Now leave me in peace.I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. Like I said, I scored the fight 48-47 for Gus (giving him the first 3 rounds), but a score of 48-47 Jones or 49-46 Jones is completely rational imo.
Ok I'll ask Aldo... and then I'll ask Nate Diaz. I assume I'm going to get different answersI'll never understand the dislike for the lighter divisions. They can hit just as hard as the big guys. Ask Aldo. As for excitement, I was falling asleep last Saturday until Tate and Holm came on. WEC dissolved their heavier divisions and that promotion never put on a boring event. Different strokes I guess.
Gus already beat Jones. I don't care if the judges robbed him. Bad judging happens all the time. It was highway robbery. He also beat Cormier in a much closer fight than the Jones fight. I don't give a damn what the official scorecards say. Dillashaw whipped Cruz too.Let's face it, Gus won't hold the belt. Unlike the women's, this division is real and deep and the champion and #1 contender are as legit as they come, not a flavor of the month. I tip my hat to him for his willingness to keep trying, but it's futile. He should change orgs. Go to Bellator and be the big fish in a small pond, build his confidence back up.
No. To every one one of those, no.Gus already beat Jones. I don't care if the judges robbed him. Bad judging happens all the time. It was highway robbery. He also beat Cormier in a much closer fight than the Jones fight. I don't give a damn what the official scorecards say. Dillashaw whipped Cruz too.
I'm able to separate personal bias from reality when analyzing fights and matching up potential fighters. I feel some of these judges aren't qualified enough to know what they're looking at.No. To every one one of those, no.
It's great you have an opinion. This is where having an informed opinion can really make a difference.
BingoGus clearly beat Jon under the 10-9 scoring system....Battered him so much Jon clearly ducked the rematch and said it wasn't even close...OK sure Jon....Don't come with the JBJ didn't even train line because that aint gus's fault...he was the better fighter that night
One could argue that Jon was coming on and deserved a win under pride scoring rules....but this aint pride
Jones was in a bad way after the fight and was shaking on a stretcher backstage and went to the hospital immediately because he needed to go...not cause he needed to be checked
If ever a rematch should have happened that was one
Jones fought a man his own size and got blasted...eyepokes aplenty but they were countered with punches...jon turned his head, and closed his eyes in so many exchanges.
Don't for a second think that +900 odds didn't play a huge part in that decision...the Judge that scored Jones 49-46 should be in prison
Definitely not. He took 1.5 at best.Under Pride rules maybe, but not under the 10-9. Jones took three rounds.
I don't have any opinion at all on personal bias, I just don't see where Gus gets credit for winning 3 rounds. As far as I can see, there were no true 10-8 rounds, all were basically 10-9. And Jones won 3 of them. Under Pride rules, a case might be made for Gus. Under 10-point must, I'd like to see a breakdown where Gus takes 3 rounds.I'm able to separate personal bias from reality when analyzing fights and matching up potential fighters. I feel some of these judges aren't qualified enough to know what they're looking at.
I absolutely believe they can hit as hard. I think the reason there are less ko's in the lighter divisions is because of their speed and movement. Bigger guys can't match that.Ok I'll ask Aldo... and then I'll ask Nate Diaz. I assume I'm going to get different answers
You can't seriously believe that they "hit just as hard as the big guys". That was the 4th post you were quoting so I'll just assume you were tired from all the typing.
By the way, I didn't talk about excitement in my post. I talked about sustaining injuries and the effect heavy punches might have on a fighter.
And really accuracy and volume can be just as damaging as power.I absolutely believe they can hit as hard. I think the reason there are less ko's in the lighter divisions is because of their speed and movement. Bigger guys can't match that.
Sorry, I got a little sidetracked when you called it the "midget" and "weigh less than a girl" division.
Yes the terms I used could be considered offensive but I've had enough of these weak little people act like bullies all the time just to gain the attention they don't deserve. Watching small guys like Connor, Cruz, Faber or "women" like Ronda shittalking like they're on Jersey Shore makes me sad to be a fan of this sport.I absolutely believe they can hit as hard. I think the reason there are less ko's in the lighter divisions is because of their speed and movement. Bigger guys can't match that.
Sorry, I got a little sidetracked when you called it the "midget" and "weigh less than a girl" division.
I can understand getting tired of the trash talking but don't generalize entire divisions based on he actions of a few.Yes the terms I used could be considered offensive but I've had enough of these weak little people act like bullies all the time just to gain the attention they don't deserve. Watching small guys like Connor, Cruz, Faber or "women" like Ronda shittalking like they're on Jersey Shore makes me sad to be a fan of this sport.
I posted a video here the other day from the pride days with beasts like Fedor, Anderson Silva, Nogueira, Randleman and Rampage facing off with each other without anyone in between to keep them apart, just warriors respecting each other, no acting like bullies to sell fights. Rothwell also said it in his latest interview that Wild posted, the heavyweights are the frendliest of all and the way that unbreakable or unstoppable or whatever they f they called that press conference went was just ridiculous.
And I'm sorry, but if you think that guys like Connor and Aldo can hit as hard as Fedor and Overeem then we don't have much to discuss it's like trying to discuss colors with someone who thinks the sea is red and apples are blue.
I agree, AJ gets the shot if its down to him and Gus. Gus needs to fight.Not sure what he's waiting for (prob Jones like @Ghost Bro said). Interesting to note though that he was given a title shot after losing to AJ over a guy who probably deserved it more at the time (Bader).
2/3 losses were close decisions that could've easily gone the other way, but I don't know if he'll be able to jump AJ in line after Jones beats Cormier.
I had Jones winning that fight.Gus clearly beat Jon under the 10-9 scoring system....Battered him so much Jon clearly ducked the rematch and said it wasn't even close...OK sure Jon....Don't come with the JBJ didn't even train line because that aint gus's fault...he was the better fighter that night
One could argue that Jon was coming on and deserved a win under pride scoring rules....but this aint pride
Jones was in a bad way after the fight and was shaking on a stretcher backstage and went to the hospital immediately because he needed to go...not cause he needed to be checked
If ever a rematch should have happened that was one
Jones fought a man his own size and got blasted...eyepokes aplenty but they were countered with punches...jon turned his head, and closed his eyes in so many exchanges.
Don't for a second think that +900 odds didn't play a huge part in that decision...the Judge that scored Jones 49-46 should be in prison