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Rob_Michael

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Opinions?
I'm interested in hearing from anyone who considers themselves a knowledgeable fan or professional in the field of MMA. What's your opinion regarding the possibility of a fix concerning the Lesnar-Hunt fight? Is it possible, unlikely, or absurd?

In my opinion, it's absolutely possible. Here's why:

Vince McMahon's voluntary release of Brock Lesnar to compete in an MMA match contest defies logical explanation. To illustrate the point I would pose another question: What are the chances that a major movie-maker would permit a movie's main star to perform their own dangerous stunts?

Oh sure, it's happened before, but more often than not I'll bet it's forbidden for the same reason I think that Vince McMahon would not jeopardize his potential future earnings from Brock Lesnar to the possibility of a career ending injury. Lesnar is slated to appear in WWE's Summer Slam shortly after the MMA event, is he not? Think about it. Is that something a smart businessman would do? I can only think of one reason: That being an agreement that Lesnar "is uninjured"(win or lose) which is understood by all the key parties.

Should this scenario be considered unlikely or absurd by you, before you scoff, before you simply reply "nonsense" ore "dumb" I'd like to hear your reasoning.

Is the UFC's reputation above reproach? Is it unthinkable that the UFC would engage in fight fixing because it's a highly professional organization run by professionals with impeccable ethics?

Is it just silly to consider the possibility of sports-fixing because it's something you believe doesn't exist or is likely to ever happen in modern sports; particularly in the fight business?

Is it a fantasy to consider that UFC fighters would stoop to anything like fight fixing because they are known to be as honorable and ethical as judges?

Why is the possibility so difficult for many fans to even consider or discuss, as if it's taboo? I'd love to hear any MMA writers give an honest opinion, although I don't think that will happen.
 
SuperPig

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Almost anything is possible.
Could Brock take a dive? Yes.
Could Mark Hunt take a dive? Yes but it's doubtful that he would.
Would Vince try to make something happen? Perhaps but he also knows that Brock is more likely to be permanently injured in the WWE than in the UFC.
Would Zuffa fix a fight? Very doubtful. That shit would have to be the most top secret plot of top secret plots. If proven to be guilty of fight fixing then the Fertittas could lose their gaming license and face other massive penalties. They're not going to risk billions to make a few million.

In smaller shows or even overseas organizations fight fixing is much more likely as there are fewer repercussions.

In the US it could happen but the larger organizations are most likely not going to be party to it.

The most likely scenarios would be someone paying a fighter to take a dive, a fighter throwing a fight and betting against himself, or someone paying off a ref or judge to lean one way or another.
 
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Rob_Michael

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Okay scoff but that's the easy part that most keyboard warriors and casuals like to do. Why deprive the rest of us on the forum of hearing your thought processes and theory?

It's challenging I know, but try to string some sentences into a coherent viewpoint.
 
MMAHAWK

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I don't think the UFC would risk ending the entire sport and losing out on a 4.2 billion dollar sale over brock at this point.
 
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In Russian events involving top Russian MMA stars, I think this is par for the course.

In the US I don't think so. Too much to risk
 
aghof

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not only is it likely fixed, but it's quite probable that the mole within the Zuffa ranks will leak the result to Ariel, who will tweet it minutes before the fight, causing massive fan revolt and a federal investigation.

Dana will turn informer and rat out Lorenzo, who will do a lengthy turn in prison, temporarily dashing his hopes of owning the Raiders. Dana will enter the federal witness protection program only to blow his cover by embarking on a career as a professional boxer/chess grandmaster, rapidly rising in the ranks to championship level in both professions.
 
MMAHAWK

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nick diaz nut hugger said:
In Russian events involving top Russian MMA stars, I think this is par for the course.

In the US I don't think so. Too much to risk
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You're right in the US we just allow our mma stars to eye gouge their way to victory. No reason to get the judges involved.
 
Tiiimmmaaayyy

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There may have been some good points made in OP, but I didn't read them. I'm gonna say there's no way MMA fights are fixed nowadays. There was definitely some fuckery back in Pride, but things have come a long way since then. I don't think the UFC or Bellator would risk it.
 
MMAHAWK

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Tiiimmmaaayyy said:
There may have been some good points made in OP, but I didn't read them. I'm gonna say there's no way MMA fights are fixed nowadays. There was definitely some fuckery back in Pride, but things have come a long way since then. I don't think the UFC or Bellator would risk it.
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UFC had some fixes/works in the early days. Let's not forget those.
 
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MMAHAWK said:
You're right in the US we just allow our mma stars to eye gouge their way to victory. No reason to get the judges involved.
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Extending an open palm is not illegal, and the eye pokes are accidental.
 
Greenbean

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well, I was going to write a long drawn out post on what I think and believe, but I think I can sum it up pretty easily. When billionaires get together behind closed doors there's no telling what was discussed, but rest assured it is always deeper than face value and it is never for the good of the people.
 
Zeph

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Hey guys, I know we are selling our company for $4.2bil, but how about we risk losing our license, our business, and a massive payday to fix a fight for Vince McMahon. Seems like a good idea.
 
TalkingLeaf

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I don't think tbe ufc top brass will be the ones behind a fixed fight.

But i would almost guarantee that corruption influences some top level fights. Whenever there are large sums of money involved, like betting, you can be sure fight fixing happens.

I think it would be smaller scale, though. Maybe a judge, a ref, or just the fighters. And not involving any ufc higher ups. Too risky and the ufc has too much to lose. Wouldnt be worth it.

Goodfellas had boston college shaving points and they were small time compared to vegas bookmakers and gamblers.
 
Andrewsimar Palhardass

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Risk vs reward.

They don't gain nearly as much by having Brock compete as they would lose with a fix going public.

Word is that Brock held out for this at WrestleMania. Brock has put himself in a position where he can push the WWE around. He is that big of a star. Doesn't seem too far fetched that Vince would allow him to do this. It promotes his guy without the WWE dipping into the maximum appearances that his contract calls for. Sure, he could lose... but they can chalk that up to a heroic short-notice showing against one of the best guys in the world after 4-5 years of absence. They are in the storyline business. They can turn anything into a positive.

You really shouldn't post a thread asking for dissenting opinions while passive aggressively mocking anybody with a dissenting opinion in your OP. Doesn't really set the tone for friendly conversation. You might as well say "this is what I think, and if you're stupid enough to disagree please explain."
 
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Rob_Michael

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Well said and of course I agree. The truth is all we can do is speculate. There will be no proof although I'll be the first to admit if this fight turns out that Lesner does get wrecked, then so much for my theory. I do not insist I'm right and in fact I hope that I am not right because I have no desire to see fixed fights.

On the other hand, I do not dismiss the possibility that I am right, because Brock Lesnar is a golden goose for Vince McMahon. That much is clear to me.

It just stands to reason that when you have anything of irreplaceable value, then you are going to take great lengths to protect it.

I simply can't agree with the view that an MMA fight holds little risk of severe injury. A few fans have suggested that it's no more risky than fake wrestling. I won't argue which sport is more dangerous because that's just getting distracted.

In this particular fight we are talking about hard-hitting heavyweights and the risk of a broken jaw, a broken bone, a detached retina, a severe concussion, etc. is a very real possibility.

Obviously Vince McMahon knows he's risking millions of dollars and yet he is not objecting. It's hard for me not to ask, "What's going on here?"
 
aghof

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Rob_Michael said:
Well said and of course I agree. The truth is all we can do is speculate. There will be no proof although I'll be the first to admit if this fight turns out that Lesner does get wrecked, then so much for my theory. I do not insist I'm right and in fact I hope that I am not right because I have no desire to see fixed fights.

On the other hand, I do not dismiss the possibility that I am right, because Brock Lesnar is a golden goose for Vince McMahon. That much is clear to me.

It just stands to reason that when you have anything of irreplaceable value, then you are going to take great lengths to protect it.

I simply can't agree with the view that an MMA fight holds little risk of severe injury. A few fans have suggested that it's no more risky than fake wrestling. I won't argue which sport is more dangerous because that's just getting distracted.

In this particular fight we are talking about hard-hitting heavyweights and the risk of a broken jaw, a broken bone, a detached retina, a severe concussion, etc. is a very real possibility.

Obviously Vince McMahon knows he's risking millions of dollars and yet he is not objecting. It's hard for me not to ask, "What's going on here?"
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yep, I think the notion that pro wrestling is more dangerous than mma is largely due to the fact that they might have to have hundreds of matches a year. Anyone this side of Travis Fulton would probably be on the shelf pretty quickly if they had to fight several times a week.
 
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