White responds to Cyborg railing against the UFC
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she is big boned bro.deal with it. you aint never seen holly or miesha pork up like that
Well there would definitely not be Ronda the fighter. Even Ronda admitted that. As far as acting skills neither one is an actress. Gina had to have a voiceover she was so stiff.
without gina there is no wmma .there is no ronda and there definitely is no movie career for ronda not that she can act her way out of a paper bag
Yea looks like she's in fighting shape.
she is big boned bro.deal with it. you aint never seen holly or miesha pork up like that
didnt these threads go much better for you before you got outed for having 4 cindy-o accounts to rate your posts for youLike oh my God she's so huge! Like she's a least 290 lbs! For Realz!
These are all valid criticisms of 145 as it is, but I would say 3 things.
1) Do the same analysis of 135 during Ronda's reign or even now arguably.
2) The only precedent we really have in men's MMA for lack of higher divisions is super heavyweight and the tweeners who just didn't fit in the available 20 lb gap between MW and LHW. Either they got manhandled at the higher weight or they were so sucked in at the smaller weight that they were noticeably sluggish in the cage. Tweener names that come to mind include Dean Lister, Roger Gracie, Hector Lombard, Phil Baroni, and Cacareco. SHWs who had uninspiring careers at capped HW include Sean McCorkle, Tom Erikson, Soa Palalei and Semmy Schilt.Women at 115 who should be 125 are suffering the same issue, MacKenzie Dern being the most recent example. The point is that it's hard to evaluate true 145ers performance at 135 because weight cutting is absolutely a factor in a fighter's performance in MMA.
3) The UFC only recently has offered enough money for female athletes to consider coming over to MMA. The large roster the UFC fields means even if they sign decent women they'll likely sit for most of the year. So there's a general disinvestment in WMMA as little else besides a novelty and that means we get a situation where it seems like there's no one out there when there are enough 145 kickboxers, boxers, wrestlers and judoka who could crossover to build up a division, but can make more in their respective sports. The weaknesses of the top 10 you cite is because few of the fighters on that list have actually had the opportunity to actually fight at 145 so it's an aspirational list at best.
The lack of a division for Cyborg was a choice. I agree she did herself no favors by being on PEDs, but plenty of men have been busted and still been touted as heroes. I think it's too late for her now, to be honest, but she will always show up in arguments as the one no one wanted to fight or could beat. MMA's Lucia Rijker.
And Joe riggs fought at heavyweight, or and florian at mw.. Just because people have completed at that weight before don't make them the same size. Cyborg is far bigger then any of those girls at 135.
Former ww champ bj penn used to weigh in at 168-169 with jeans on.
Agreed.... Gina made people want to watch girls fight. Cyborg beat her pretty bad, I always thought she would comeback for 1 more fight. But she's doing a lot of movies so that ain't happening.
without gina there is no wmma .there is no ronda and there definitely is no movie career for ronda not that she can act her way out of a paper bag
Aww did someone get butt hurt
Agreed so why cant we get Rousey to 145?And Joe riggs fought at heavyweight, or and florian at mw.. Just because people have completed at that weight before don't make them the same size. Cyborg is far bigger then any of those girls at 135.
Former ww champ bj penn used to weigh in at 168-169 with jeans on.
This conversation followed the arc of every Ronda-Cyborg conversation ever- started because an involved party spoke publicly about it, ended with a bunch of people whose minds have been made up on this subject since the beginning of time insulting each other and getting nowhere.
Rhonda's walk around weight is huge. We've all seen the pictures. She was eating only 1 meal a day to maintain a lower weight. One meal a day!
thats fighter bashing! and i love it! bravo
rousey is far from 25 lbs apart she is right up there with cyborg.,..sorry come again
Uh. No. I'm a freak that watches a ton of WMMA, all weight classes and promotions I can find.
145 is a barren wasteland of SUCK. In fact there are a lot of 135lb fighters who would move down to 125 in an instant if the UFC made it available, far more than would move up to 145.
The UFC needs to start 125 ASAP. Like tomorrow. There is a ton of talent there and some fighters who are stuck at 115 or 135 who would put on far better performances at 125. (Joanne Calderwood being a prime example)
After that, 105 needs to be considered LONG before 145. 105 is full of exciting fighters and would get some more from 115. It would be absolutely stacked compared with 145. And let's not ignore the elephant in the room: hot little spinners are far easier to market than gigantic beasts.