I could see him catching KhalabibDon't think so
He needs to earn it.....have him fight raging al firstI could see him catching Khalabib
Honestly more interested in the ferg fight
Love that fight tooHe needs to earn it.....have him fight raging al first
Really? Lee controlled the fight through out. Look at the position at the end, body triangle tight, went palm to Palm, under the chin... Watch, as soon as Lee gets better hand position Michael stops defending and is on his way out.He needs to rematch Chiesa. No tap in that fight.
If we had a rematch every time dipshit commentators riled the simpleton masses up over some perceived officiating error, we'd never have fresh fights.He needs to rematch Chiesa. No tap in that fight.
Positionally, what he did was correct, but stopping a choke before a tap or unconsciousness misses the point of jiu jitsu. Who knows if the grip had any squeeze to it? Chiesa's hips were opening some space in the body triangle. Mario made a snap judgment and had no basis for it. The fate of the division isn't as important to me as not respecting a fighter's right to their tap unless they're unconscious.Really? Lee controlled the fight through out. Look at the position at the end, body triangle tight, went palm to Palm, under the chin... Watch, as soon as Lee gets better hand position Michael stops defending and is on his way out.
I fully agree early stoppage but it wasn't bad enough to warrant an immediate rematch imo. Only way is if it could happen asap and the schedule makes sense. Otherwise keep the division rolling.
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He was not clearly a split second from going out. Have you been in a choke before?If we had a rematch every time dipshit commentators riled the simpleton masses up over some perceived officiating error, we'd never have fresh fights.
Yamasaki is allowed to make that call, he does not have to wait for Chiesa to fall unconscious when he was clearly a split second from going out. He is right there looking directly at him, and he saw what I saw, and that was that Chiesa was without a doubt going out. Fans howling over this decision, including the idiot President who I swear has less fight knowledge than anyone I have ever heard talk about MMA, are just looking for an excuse to get their panties twisted.
Mario's a blackbelt, long time JJ teacher, and has reffed like 1000 fights. The locking arm was down behind the back where Chiesa had no way to defend other than to grab the choking arm and pull on it to reduce the pressure. Chiesa went to do that, and his hand froze in place and waved around with a blank stare in his eyes. There was plenty of reason to stop it, there. He could have let it go longer, and maybe 2 or 3 seconds more would have been better, but it was an expression of him being concerned for doing his job correctly. Top refs don't likely have any problem with it, other than agreeing that ideally a couple more seconds might have been better only because less controversial for all, but top refs don't care if what they do is controversial either (the right move is going to be controversial a good deal of the time).Positionally, what he did was correct, but stopping a choke before a tap or unconsciousness misses the point of jiu jitsu. Who knows if the grip had any squeeze to it? Chiesa's hips were opening some space in the body triangle. Mario made a snap judgment and had no basis for it. The fate of the division isn't as important to me as not respecting a fighter's right to their tap unless they're unconscious.
Appeal to authority.Mario's a blackbelt, long time JJ teacher, and has reffed like 1000 fights. The locking arm was down behind the back where Chiesa had no way to defend other than to grab the choking arm and pull on it to reduce the pressure. Chiesa went to do that, and his hand froze in place and waved around with a blank stare in his eyes. There was plenty of reason to stop it, there.
you failed Rhetoric 101.That's not a fallacy. It's only a fallacy if the appeal is invalid. Mario is an authority. You are not.
LOLyou failed Rhetoric 101.
Wouldn't that be like saying every KO should be stopped only once the fighter is completely out? Fights get stopped on flash KOs or when dudes simply don't defend well enough and turtle up, KOs don't have to mean completely unconscious. The last thing I see Michael doing is stop defending the choke, lets both his arms go out and you can see his face is fading, and that's all from my couch. To me that's similar to a fighter getting GnP then just can't offer any sort of defense and the fight stops. Mario is right there and I feel he made the right call however it was marginally early, if he made it a second later it would've been nice. To use the appeal to authority line doesn't seem right considering the ref is the authority in there to make the call.Positionally, what he did was correct, but stopping a choke before a tap or unconsciousness misses the point of jiu jitsu. Who knows if the grip had any squeeze to it? Chiesa's hips were opening some space in the body triangle. Mario made a snap judgment and had no basis for it. The fate of the division isn't as important to me as not respecting a fighter's right to their tap unless they're unconscious.
nice appeal to authority.LOL
I have a degree in philosophy, dude. And not in the bullshit areas like ethics/etc., but in the abstract argumentative branches. True story.
But laying there and taking punches is not an intelligent defense to being hit in the head.Wouldn't that be like saying every KO should be stopped only once the fighter is completely out? Fights get stopped on flash KOs or when dudes simply don't defend well enough and turtle up, KOs don't have to mean completely unconscious. The last thing I see Michael doing is stop defending the choke, lets both his arms go out and you can see his face is fading, and that's all from my couch. To me that's similar to a fighter getting GnP then just can't offer any sort of defense and the fight stops. Mario is right there and I feel he made the right call however it was marginally early, if he made it a second later it would've been nice. To use the appeal to authority line doesn't seem right considering the ref is the authority in there to make the call.
For me personally it has nothing to do with Lee being a new fighter and me wanting to see him succeed.
Ah, the old Argumentum ad didn't even bother to read the whole wikipedia pageargumentum ad verecundiam example:
Person A is an authority on a particular topic
Person A says something about that topic
Person A is probably correct
You'll find that Mario has a more than valid sample size as a somewhat inconsistent and careless ref.(I also am not -- I have judged, and know plenty of good refs, but I have never reffed myself. IMO, granting oneself false authority is kind of a disease that is better resisted than defended. About that you would be correct, but Mario's authority isn't false. Yours is, and mine would be, claiming ours to be greater than his. It's not that he can't make a mistake, it's that his authority isn't fake. My guess is that if you question your own true opinion on what other solid refs think, you'll agree that they wouldn't likely have a problem with the stoppage other than granting 2-4 secs more could have been allowed for Chiesa to show signs of life.)