General 84,000 deaths in the US in the next month

[Leigh]

How deaths are recorded is very important. It's quite common to use deaths within 28 or 60 days of a positive test. With Omicron, that's very ambiguous because so many people will be infected in a short amount of time, that a large majority of "regular" deaths will be included in that count, even if covid had nothing to do with their deaths. Eg let's say 10,000 people die per month regularly. Well now 5,000 will have tested positive for covid recently.

I think a good metric is looking at the mortality rate between vaccinated and unvaccinated. At the moment, unvaccinated people have a vastly higher risk of death. That may change in a couple of weeks as omicron has become the dominant strain.

 

[Wintermute]

Beware the Deltacron.

So far that's being attributed to lab error.

 

[sparkuri]

https://t.co/oXjM7JS8Bc

Much smaller percent of vaccinated are going to go into the hospital than unvaccinated.

 

[Hauler]

Has there been an uptick in OVERALL deaths year over year that shows 2020 and 2021 as outliers to trends in years prior?

 

[Splinty]

https://t.co/oXjM7JS8Bc

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6 months ago I taught you this. You still are doing bad math

General - Corona virus updates

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[kneeblock]

Of course future variants could flip anything on its head, but the rate of simultaneous infection is probably going to reduce the amount of wack-a-mole we are playing here with waning vaccine effectiveness over time.

Also lol:

Pfizer CEO predicts omicron vaccine will be ready in March

Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla on Monday said that his company is aiming to have a vaccine that targets the omicron variant as well as other COVID-19 variants ready in March. “This vaccine…

thehill.com

By MARCH just in time for us to shoot the moon and nobody to run out and get this.

They really should be developing a more encompassing vaccine with more antigen targets. It may still have use even a year from now in high risk workers (healthcare) and the elderly etc that might not hold antibody response as long as others.
I don't think selling it as an omicron vaccine is going to have anyone running out to get it.

Deltacron isn't the future. It's here. Emerged in Cyprus the other day. Infectability of Omicron, otherwise behavior of Delta. I'm rooting for Omicron obviously because if the alternative prevails, we're effed.

Cyprus reportedly discovers a Covid variant that combines omicron and delta

The strain is being called "deltacron."

www.cnbc.com

Agreed about the vax. Did you see the one developed at Walter Reed to address multiple mutations?

Walter Reed military scientists testing vaccine that could protect against Omicron, future COVID variants

The latest Speed Read,/speed-reads,,speed-reads, breaking news, comment, reviews and features from the experts at The Week

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[kneeblock]

So far that's being attributed to lab error.

That's the best news I've heard all week.

 

[Splinty]

Deltacron isn't the future. It's here. Emerged in Cyprus the other day. Infectability of Omicron, otherwise behavior of Delta. I'm rooting for Omicron obviously because if the alternative prevails, we're effed.

The media is having a field day jerking off to this virus to treat it like some magical mutant that will do all kinds of things that other respiratory viruses won't do. They've been pushing this kind of one off with incomplete data since 2020.

It's unlikely that we will back up to a more deadly variant as the prominent strain if omicron moves as fast as it appears to be doing. It's early like I said, but things keep becoming clearer that the early data is correct.

 

[sparkuri]

6 months ago I taught you this. You still are doing bad math

You "taught".

The study itself, UKHSA if you've read it, reasons the population "vaccinated" by reason of percentage of blood donors.
How's that for math?

Your explanations read like a political applications while doing exactly what you claim others do, make a decision and fit it into your presupposition.


View: https://twitter.com/gazcon/status/1479930065588785161?s=20


Report link in the tweet, knock yourself out professor Hunting.
Note the statement of "vaccination rate" and that base pool.

 

[Splinty]

You "taught".

The study itself, UKHSA if you've read it, reasons the population "vaccinated" by reason of percentage of blood donors.
How's that for math?

Your explanations read like a political applications while doing exactly what you claim others do, make a decision and fit it into your presupposition.


View: https://twitter.com/gazcon/status/1479930065588785161?s=20


Report link in the tweet, knock yourself out professor Hunting.
Note the statement of "vaccination rate" and that base pool.

You and the twitter guy have no idea how to read the report.

Here's your own link:






Also, I've already posted this in this same thread:

General - 84,000 deaths in the US in the next month

This is the current prediction of the CDC. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/forecasting/forecasting-us.html These deaths are theoretically preventable, but this administration and Congress have communicated that they are willing to let these deaths happen. This forecast could...

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[sparkuri]

6 months ago I taught you this. You still are doing bad math

General - Corona virus updates

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BTW my name isn't Soundsystem.

 

[sparkuri]

You and the twitter guy have no idea how to read the report.

Here's your own link:

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Also, I've already posted this in this same thread:

General - 84,000 deaths in the US in the next month

This is the current prediction of the CDC. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/forecasting/forecasting-us.html These deaths are theoretically preventable, but this administration and Congress have communicated that they are willing to let these deaths happen. This forecast could...

themmacommunity.com

You're speaking to reduced risk in hospitalization rates, I'm not.
*facepalm*

 

[Leigh]

https://t.co/oXjM7JS8Bc

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That's taken from the UK vaccine surveillance report and only shows raw numbers. The same report also shows mortality rate.



You chose a decent source of info though.

 

[Splinty]

You're speaking to reduced risk in hospitalization rates, I'm not.
*facepalm*

Then why are you quoting me talking about reduced risk in hospitalization rates?

 

[Hauler]

So far that's being attributed to lab error.

Labs don't make errors.

Wuhan:

 

[sparkuri]

Then why are you quoting me talking about reduced risk in hospitalization rates?

I didn't read the study past the base pool, which is what you, @Leigh and everyone else that kept going should've done.

If I'm running an organic omlette contest, I discard the contestant who made his with eggbeaters.

WHY I posted it was to point out the link and specifically pointed out "base pool"; even by their own flaws, 80% of death occurred in vaccinated.
At that point you use your smell test, if you haven't lost the sensation permanently.

 

[Hauler]

At that point you use your smell test, if you haven't lost the sensation permanently.

This was a thinly-veiled zinger.

Nicely done.

 

[jason73]

so is everybody dead yet?

 

[sparkuri]

so is everybody dead yet?

Just the unvaccinated, and all-cause mortality rates...

 

[sparkuri]

This was a thinly-veiled zinger.

Nicely done.

I got 6 hours of sleep

WHO WANTS SOME??

 

[jason73]

I got 6 hours of sleep

WHO WANTS SOME??

i probably have never got more than 6 hours of sleep in my life

 

[Hauler]

I got 6 hours of sleep

WHO WANTS SOME??

 

[sparkuri]

i probably have never got more than 6 hours of sleep in my life

#Metoo

I don't know what to do with myself.
I feel like Rorschach but wanna grow a cape like Vision.
I would hit the bench but would feel sorry for the bar.

 

[FINGERS]

Newspaper headlines: 'Living with Covid' plan and 5 day isolation support

Several of Monday's papers carry reports on how the UK might navigate the next phase of the pandemic.

www.bbc.com

Boris Johnson is due to announce his plan by March on how the country will live with Covid, according to the i. The paper is one of many to feature prominently government hopes that the UK is moving towards a new phase in the pandemic. The paper says No 10 has insisted the main focus remains tackling pressures on the NHS and public services. The PM's strategy, which the paper expects to be revealed in weeks, might include winding down testing, scrapping free lateral flow tests and cutting the Covid isolation period, the paper adds.

@Fingers based on the current spread I support this is probably a fine proposal. March should have already seen the peak and decline of omicron with the broadest exposure of virus that has occurred yet.

The one odd thing is the move to remove free testing. What is the different between those tests and other services the NHS offers? If someone is showing symptoms and wants a covid or flu test later on, will there be cost? Or does this just dump the home tests and you go to the doc now?

It was floated at the weekend. And denied firmly by the health secretary. So it's probably 100% true they will charge for the tests.

Its about money for their mates at the end of the day. It costs €8.99 a single test in Ireland. It sure as shit doesn't cost that in reality.

My guess is that tests are basically meaningless in a couple of months. Everyone will have had some form of vaccination or natural anti bodies.

I'm sitting here at home with little to zero symptoms not earning. My wife is at home here her entire classes cancelled for tomorrow, zero symptoms. My little boy has been locked up for week now. No pre school. Zero symptoms. He is turning into a nut case.

I can and will take a hit of this 'for the vulnerable' this time. But I won't be reporting non symptoms when my family becomes the vulnerable thanks to no money coming in.

47 people lost their lives yesterday after having a positive Covid Test in the last 28 days in this country.

 

[kneeblock]

It was floated at the weekend. And denied firmly by the health secretary. So it's probably 100% true they will charge for the tests.

Its about money for their mates at the end of the day. It costs €8.99 a single test in Ireland. It sure as shit doesn't cost that in reality.

My guess is that tests are basically meaningless in a couple of months. Everyone will have had some form of vaccination or natural anti bodies.

I'm sitting here at home with little to zero symptoms not earning. My wife is at home here her entire classes cancelled for tomorrow, zero symptoms. My little boy has been locked up for week now. No pre school. Zero symptoms. He is turning into a nut case.

I can and will take a hit of this 'for the vulnerable' this time. But I won't be reporting non symptoms when my family becomes the vulnerable thanks to no money coming in.

47 people lost their lives yesterday after having a positive Covid Test in the last 28 days in this country.

This decoupling of government aid from the testing and quarantining strategy is exactly why we're screwed.

So many posts about vaccines in this thread when they have little to nothing to do with it. The abandonment of mitigation and stimulus for medical solutions is the crime of the century and it's happening everywhere.