General About Free will and determinism

[Toelocku]

So was reading a poster talk about compatiblism and was going crazy

The semantics of "Free Will" as it is generally understood is illogical

free
/frē/
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adjective

1. 1.
   not under the control or in the power of another; able to act or be done as one wishes.

So all things wether material or immaterial are subject to cause and effect

The word "Free" is no exception so just because you understand the word meaning doesnt make it logical

 

[Rambo John J]

we live in the matrix
we are cattle
we are batteries

 

[jason73]

hail satan and do what you want

 

[Toelocku]

we live in the matrix
we are cattle
we are batteries

Sometimes i wonder

 

[Toelocku]

hail satan and do what you want

Thats sounds like free will talk

 

[Enock-O-Lypse Now!]

So was reading a poster talk about compatiblism and was going crazy

The semantics of "Free Will" as it is generally understood is illogical

free
/frē/
Learn to pronounce
adjective

1. 1.
   not under the control or in the power of another; able to act or be done as one wishes.

So all things wether material or immaterial are subject to cause and effect

The word "Free" is no exception so just because you understand the word meaning doesnt make it logical

hail satan and do what you want

 

[Rambo John J]

good flick

 

[jason73]

The word "Free" is no exception so just because you understand the word meaning doesnt make it logical

what is logical about determinism ?

 

[tang]

good flick

Charlize Theron is hot ~ she looked best in that film imo

 

[Toelocku]

what is logical about determinism ?

Thats its reality

 

[kneeblock]

Agency is generally more useful.

 

[jason73]

Thats its reality

not really. you can do what you want whenever you want it .that determinism is all in your head

 

[Toelocku]

Agency is generally more useful.

How so

 

[Splinty]

Connie Nielsen in the Devil's Advocate is proof that God exists. And her marriage to Lars Ulrich is proof the Devil continues his tricks.

 

[Toelocku]

not really. you can do what you want whenever you want it .that determinism is all in your head

The next there is an earthquake tell it to go away you have free will

 

[jason73]

The next there is an earthquake tell it to go away you have free will

what are you talking about? free will covers your own actions .it doesnt turn you into gandolf and let you stop earthquakes

 

[Rambo John J]

what are you talking about? free will covers your own actions .it doesnt turn you into gandolf and let you stop earthquakes

gandolf is a bad mofo
imagine if his MMA skills

 

[jason73]

Free will is the ability to choose between different possible courses of action unimpeded. Free will is closely linked to the concepts of moral responsibility, praise, guilt, sin, and other judgements which apply only to actions that are freely chosen.

 

[kneeblock]

How so

Because I agree with you. No one can escape causality. Agency doesn't posit whether you did something of your own volition, it just tries to understand to what degree you wanted something to happen based on the things that happen (in crude terms).

 

[Toelocku]

what are you talking about? free will covers your own actions .it doesnt turn you into gandolf and let you stop earthquakes

Yes it would and the point of my op...thats literally what 'free' means

Everything comes down to circumstantial determinism

 

[jason73]

Yes it would and the point of my op...thats literally what 'free' means

Everything comes down to circumstantial determinism

are you serious right now or is this a troll thread?

 

[Toelocku]

Because I agree with you. No one can escape causality. Agency doesn't posit whether you did something of your own volition, it just tries to understand to what degree you wanted something to happen based on the things that happen (in crude terms).

Agreed

 

[Toelocku]

are you serious right now or is this a troll thread?

Free will is illogical dude time to get with the program

 

[jason73]

Free will is illogical dude time to get with the program

wait ..what do you think free will is?

 

[Toelocku]

wait ..what do you think free will is?

Its in the op