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Freeloading Rusty

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Amid border-wall debate, third drug tunnel found in less than a month in Nogales

Mexican authorities uncovered another tunnel in Nogales, Sonora — across the border from Nogales, Arizona — which they suspect was used to smuggle drugs and people across the U.S.-Mexico border.

It's the third time they have made such a discovery in less than a month, and comes amid President Donald Trump's demand for funding to build more physical barriers along the U.S.-Mexico border.

Mexican Federal Police on Wednesday posted a short video of the tunnel on Twitter. Police said the tunnel measured about 32 feet in length, but offered few other details, such as the location or how they found it.

The video shows two police officers opening up a manhole underneath the extensive drainage channels that lie below the downtown areas in the twin cities of Nogales. The channels are used to ease the flow of runoff water during storms and typically flow north from Sonora into Arizona because of the terrain. But they are also commonly used in smuggling attempts.

As the video progresses, it shows the officers inside the tunnel, following it to the point where it originates at an unknown location. The officer recording is heard asking, "Is that the exit?" A second officer responds "yes" as he pushes open the entrance to the tunnel overhead.


View: https://twitter.com/PoliciaFedMx/status/1083046777928900609


Attempts to contact and request more information from the Mexican Federal Police were unsuccessful. U.S. Customs and Border Protection officials in Arizona are also unable to provide information because they furloughed their communication staff due to the ongoing partial government shutdown.

Effectiveness of walls under scrutiny
Trump's insistence on border-security funding is central to the fight that has resulted in the shutdown.

As part of his push to secure more funding, Trump cites high numbers of drugs coming across the Southwest U.S. border and claims that "These numbers will be DRASTICALLY REDUCED if we have a Wall!"


View: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1083554782923632640


However, the vast majority of the drugs that he alludes to, including heroin, are increasingly caught at the legal ports of entry, which would be unaffected by the construction of additional physical barriers.


Critics routinely point to drug tunnels as a sign that walls don't work.

U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., broached the topic during one of several failed meetings between congressional Democratic leadership and Trump to try to end the stalemate.


As the president visited south Texas on Thursday, one of the border officials he met with explained how smugglers had turned to tunneling underneath areas of the border where physical barriers had been built.

"This is the second tunnel recently that we've located. This is an area that we actually have wall," Melissa Lucio, the Border Patrol's agent in charge of the McAllen station, told Trump as he looked on.

"We're doing such a great job in utilizing the right resources in that particular area, that they've (smugglers) become so frustrated they're using other tactics," she added. "They're actually digging tunnels. This is about 25 feet long, and 2 to 3 feet high."

Smugglers increasingly using tunnels

In this March 6, 2017 photo, a member of the Border Patrol's Border Tunnel Entry Team enters a tunnel spanning the border between San Diego and Tijuana, Mexico, in San Diego. They are known in the Border Patrol as "tunnel rats" - agents who go in clandestine passages that have proliferated on the U.S.-Mexico border over the last 20 years to smuggle drugs. (AP Photo/Gregory Bull) (Photo: Associated Press)

Tunnels have become an increasingly common tactic that smugglers have used to get around stricter enforcement at the border, especially in sections that have had physical barriers in place for many years and decades, such as Arizona and California's borders with Mexico.

Along the Arizona border, Nogales is one of the main areas where large numbers of drug tunnels are uncovered on either side.

Just last week, Mexican Federal Police located a 65-foot tunnel inside an abandoned business in Nogales, Sonora, about four blocks south of the international boundary, according to Mexican media.

Before then, on Dec. 17, Customs and Border Protection officials in Arizona said they and Mexican officials had located another tunnel in downtown Nogales as part of a "routine binational tunnel sweep."

The unfinished, 50-foot tunnel stretched nearly 44 feet into Arizona, from the drainage channels underneath the twin cities to an empty parking lot, CBP said.
 

Freeloading Rusty

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65 feet.... 40 feet.... crazy how short these tunnels actually are in the scheme of things. One would clearly have to find optimal locations for these tunnels.
 

KWingJitsu

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LOL! I was gonna post this on the Hamberder thread.

If the wall was "10 feet taller", how many f these would it stop? :D
 

Freeloading Rusty

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Nearly 400 Migrants Tunnel Under Border Wall to Enter United States from Mexico
Border Patrol and its parent agency, Customs and Border Protection, this week said that 376 people crossed beneath the barrier, most by traveling through seven tunnels – each only a few feet long – that were dug by smugglers.

"They dug under the fence," National Border Patrol Council President Brandon Judd told CNN. "Unlike most areas along the border, Yuma has some very sandy areas that is easy to dig in."
 

Jesus X

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I do love a good drug tunnel
pretty interesting stuff
it is odd to me that american people are obsessed with the tunnels when a guy like amado carrillo set precedent when he used an entire fleet of full sized commercial planes to fly drugs over in the 80's and I think 90's too.
his pilots made mickey munday look like nothing.
 

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it is odd to me that american people are obsessed with the tunnels when a guy like amado carrillo set precedent when he used an entire fleet of full sized commercial planes to fly drugs over in the 80's and I think 90's too.
his pilots made mickey munday look like nothing.
Mena Arkansas
Nuff said

Tunnels are cool, but yes they are merely a distraction from the black ops transport and sale of illegal drugs that finances other shady shit and fattens the pockets of so many
 

Robbie Hart

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y’all bumpkins, you know the CIA is involved in either permitting or cutting these tunnels out, right bumpkins?

Fuck sake, Carlos ledher paid the CIA $10 million to leave his drug routes untouched and leave him alone.......they happily accepted it and left him alone
 

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it is odd to me that american people are obsessed with the tunnels when a guy like amado carrillo set precedent when he used an entire fleet of full sized commercial planes to fly drugs over in the 80's and I think 90's too.
his pilots made mickey munday look like nothing.
You should look into that story more. No one smuggles drugs better than the CIA.
 
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I've got an idea for these Mexicans, Salvadorans, Guatemalans etc. Why not find out where these sanctuary cities are and just bus them straight there. Give them a ID card with a designated sanctuary city and they're good as long as they don't leave that city. Then nobody's got anything to bitch about; the folks who don't want migrants don't get migrants and the folks that do, do. Everybody's happy.
 

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my county is the only one misspelled
 

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my county is the only one misspelled
What do you think of the idea though? You could run buses 'round the clock for less money than it would take to build that wall and only the folks that want refugees would get them in their communities. It's win/win as far as I can see,
 

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What do you think of the idea though? You could run buses 'round the clock for less money than it would take to build that wall and only the folks that want refugees would get them in their communities. It's win/win as far as I can see,
fuck that, I don't want a bunch of random people here off a bus...bad shit happens in many ways in that scenario
already got homeless coming here in droves

just my take
 

megatherium

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fuck that, I don't want a bunch of random people here off a bus...bad shit happens in many ways in that scenario
already got homeless coming here in droves

just my take
What's with the sanctuary status then? Is that all for show and no go?

I would have assumed these progressive communities would be excited to welcome thousands of economic migrants from Mexico and Central America?
 

Rambo John J

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What's with the sanctuary status then? Is that all for show and no go?

I would have assumed these progressive communities would be excited to welcome thousands of economic migrants from Mexico and Central America?
I don't know what it is...hadn't seen it until your post and I checked oregon
springfield is only separated from eugene by I-5...yet very different cities
Springfield is the only city in Oregon on the list...whatever that means

there is simply not enough jobs and housing first of all IMO
Is there background checks for these people or anything?
I don't even know what sanctuary means for this...no immigration busts?

Def a lot of Illegal citizens around here...used to have one on of my crews

fuck if I know
 

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I don't know what it is...hadn't seen it until your post and I checked oregon
springfield is only separated from eugene by I-5...yet very different cities
Springfield is the only city in Oregon on the list...whatever that means

there is simply not enough jobs and housing first of all IMO
Is there background checks for these people or anything?
I don't even know what sanctuary means for this...no immigration busts?

Def a lot of Illegal citizens around here...used to have one on of my crews

fuck if I know
Yes, sanctuary means illegals are welcome and we'll protect you from deportation. We'll refuse to deport. You're welcome here. Come on in. I find it hard to believe your council would adopt this without public consultation; it's radical as fuck...