Are Italians weak at MMA?

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10 Yard Shìte

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I overheard a conversation debating if Asians were the weakest at MMA. The comment was based on there not being any popular Asian champs. But I thought about it and noticed there are lots of skilled and successful Asian mixed martial artists. Then decided to figure out who (if anybody) fits the criteria. One fellow mentioned Italians.

Alessio Sakara comes to mind. He fought at the highest level but he went 0-4 in his last UFC fights then cut.

I'm perplexed now. What other Italians are good mixed martial artists?
 

Hwoarang

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Why single out the Italians?
I can at least, as you mention, think of Sakara, who was a lot better than his record suggests.

What about Swiss fighters? Hungarians? Austrians? Greek? Turkish? Spanish? Portuguese? Moroccan? Romanians? Danes? Macedonians? Lithuanians?
 

Hwoarang

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I think israelis would be the worst country at MMA, followed by all the African countries.
 

10 Yard Shìte

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How could I have forgotten Matt Serra!! Thank you! For a moment there I was worried the only tough Italian fighters were Sakara, Marciano and some made up character by Stallone!


And to answer a previous reply: Moti Horenstein is nails. Chris Weidman's mother is Jewish I believe.
 

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Like any sport there needs to be a grassroots framework building up to high level sports academies/gyms to create high level athletes in that sport. If any part of that framework is missing it makes it significantly harder for those athletes to appear. In this case, I don't know what the Italian MMA scene looks like, but lack of high level fighters would suggest it is significantly behind the rest of Europe, let alone America.
 

Hwoarang

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How could I have forgotten Matt Serra!! Thank you! For a moment there I was worried the only tough Italian fighters were Sakara, Marciano and some made up character by Stallone!


And to answer a previous reply: Moti Horenstein is nails. Chris Weidman's mother is Jewish I believe.
Both americans
 

10 Yard Shìte

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Pretty sure UFC hasn't gone to Italy. Lorenzo mentioned it in 2012 but they still haven't.
Maybe there isn't any/enough MMA talent in Italy?

Sakara is nails though. Respect.

Still though, Italian MMA fans are probably pissed:



Trying to think of other Euro countries with little UFC representation.
 

Robbie Hart

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I don't think they GAF as they are too busy banging all of those hot, Italian women whereas others are worried about trying to impress these same women but end up with ankle warmers in front of their computers jerking like a lunatic to amateur Italian porn.......and mouth breathing the whole time.
 

Left Hook Larry

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Pretty sure UFC hasn't gone to Italy. Lorenzo mentioned it in 2012 but they still haven't.
Maybe there isn't any/enough MMA talent in Italy?

Sakara is nails though. Respect.

Still though, Italian MMA fans are probably pissed:



Trying to think of other Euro countries with little UFC representation.
Germany and Poland each have only a few fighters. Poland has Joanna tho. But they also have Pudz...
 
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They're overall pretty bad.

They're really good at looking like tough guys, just not actually being tough guys.
 

10 Yard Shìte

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I'm not attempting to generalize how tough Italians are or aren't in general. Just in MMA in the UFC.

Plenty of tough Italians.

Roberto Baggio was rumoured to be very tough. For those of you don't know that person, he's the fellow who choked the WORLD CUP in 94 in USA:

 

Greek777

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The MMA scene in Italy in Greece is basically nonexistent. They are much more into kickboxing. If MMA was as big as kickboxing was in those areas, you'd see fighters like Mike Zambidis and Giorgio Petrosyan in MMA. But no one knows/cares about MMA there except a very small amount of hardcore martial arts fans.. so you don't really see development of fighters because there is zero money to be made in MMA in those countries right now.

What they need is a star breakout fighter to bring attention to the sport in their country. Pretty much the same way all countries that MMA was not big in, but is currently big now, had happen. Like Conor for Ireland, Bisping for the UK, Sakuraba for Japan, etc.

They need someone they can connect to, that speaks their own language, that puts together a string of devastating wins on a big stage to get the people rallied behind them.

It has nothing to do with where they were born really, just has to do with the state of MMA in the country itself. Some absolutely amazing pound for pound all time great kickboxers come from that area... so you gotta figure if it happened to be MMA that was the big thing there instead of kickboxing, that's what the kids would be training in and learning, and subsequently raising the bar for talent and getting better as time goes on.

It can happen in the future for sure, but again, they'd need one breakout guy to go on a run and inspire the nation before people give it the time of day.