so it was. my apologies. i hope he can enlighten us as to how weidman was lucky twice before.That wasn't me, that was@TeamSerraLongo my comment was about the leg break itself was a lucky break for Chris that ended a fight he was winning. Again full credit to his game plan, if he would've called them leg check on the record prior to the fight then I'd say nothing.
No problem man. I honestly think that Weidman just has Silvas number and that those losses fucked him up going forward. Its one thing for a dominant champ to lose and then come back to avenge and keep the streak going like GSP but I don't see AS from the Matrix coming back.
Bas Rutten on "lucky punch"-
@TeamSerraLongo is desperate. Sad.
i can read the threads, but don't see the poll results until i vote.
I'd say it occures when the results of the technique far surpasses the intent. Kick was checked as he drilled in order to make AS hesitant to keep throwing it. When his leg broke in half ending the fight I'd say luck was on his side because there's no way Chris or his team would of expected that exact result.
but could you post before you voted?
i think i have before, but i voted right away for this one, so i'd have try it on the next poll to be sure.
I agree with this statement and most of what Bas says. I don't think it applies here though. If we saw a pattern of checking kicks was breaking all sorts of legs then sure but we don't. In training if you drill a punch to hurt and you do this with success in a fight then perfect. If you do the same punch and the result isn't just causing pain but you finish the fight and cause a once in a life time injury that almost retires a GOAT contender I say some luck was at play.
I think the goal of making his opponent hesitant to keep throwing it was a success, don't you agree?
But when was the moment it(luck) occurred?
When Longo is teaching the leg check, do you think he failed to mention that a possible result is to break the opponents leg?
When did the luck occur?
1) This is kind of my point, he planned to make AS rethink the kick and got much more than he planned, I consider that some luck. The luck occurred when the technique that was drilled to defend an attack resulted in a finish and an extremely rare injury.I think the goal of making his opponent hesitant to keep throwing it was a success, don't you agree?
But when was the moment it(luck) occurred?
When Longo is teaching the leg check, do you think he failed to mention that a possible result is to break the opponents leg?
When did the luck occur?
@BirdWatcher I just think a better term you're looking for is "surpassed expectations" not "luck".
I say luck intervened when AS leg broke ending the fight. I don't want to make this about semantics of wording as I don't think this topic can be universally agreed on obviously and its just on how one sees things unfold and create an opinion on it. If some think that what happened was the result of pure skill and Chris planned on those events taking place in the way they did then its tough to say sorry you're just wrong. In my last post a did say specifically when the luck occurred as well. If we had seen this type of check leading to a break on many more occasions I'd leave it at that but because it was a very rare scenario I have a hard time thinking it was business as usual after a good camp.I don't disagree completely with what you're saying
If you insist that it was luck, then I ask again, specifically when did the luck occur? When Chris thought of checking? When Chris' leg lifted? When Anderson started to throw the kick? When the two collided? When the leg snapped? When Anderson fell in agony?
Specifically when did luck intervine?
“[My trainer] Ray Longo actually broke a guy’s leg like that in the gym by putting the knee right on that shin when he kicked, just by following [the kick] up slowly,” Weidman said. “It’s not really going shin-to-shin, but getting your knee on the shin."-Weidman
Good find on the Quote.
In all honesty I love debating with people and in this particular argument about "luck", I have always been right before when using the Bas Rutten quote/logic. That being said, I spent like 10 minutes trying to find articles or video of Longo telling Joe Rogan immediately after their first fight that Chris needs to check the kicks.
