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Le Chat Noir

Le Chat Noir ©
Jan 28, 2020
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Yeah.

But it's impossible to reason with these alt folk.

He doesn't understand that if everyone was given a fair share of the profits everyone would benefit.

Even the billionaire or multi millionaire will benefit as society becomes more equal.

If you argue against this and you aren't the billionaire or multi millionaire you are either dumb or completely brainwashed.


Humans are not born greedy. You have to learn it.

But it's really not worth arguing with people who are being taken advantage of and advocating it's their right for this to happen to.



I would say the person who is being unreasonable would be the one advocating a system that has completely failed for a century.
People repeating empty socialist platitudes, prove that you simply do not understand the basic laws and principles of economics or history.

People who are working for a profit with a company are receiving their share in pay, benefits, bonus' and yes owning part of the company with stocks if they so choose. Giving the profits to those who had no part of building it is called theft. The profits are not just money that appears from the ether and these people are grabbing more, it is the direct result of their thought and labor.

You wanting to take a percentage of the thought and labor of others is a form of serfdom or slavery and it is the very definition of the greed you claim to be against. That principle doesn't change just because someone makes a million instead of 100K. It's the same for a CEO compared to a mail clerk, just as it is for an NBA star compared to a towel boy.

Profit as a whole is not a zero sum game, it is created. If you want to raise the level of income for the poor then the programs should not be focused on redistribution, they should be focused on teaching people to create value. Once again, this is not even a debate. Both systems have been tried for a century. Capitalism resulted in the greatest advances and the highest standard of living in human history. Socialism resulted in millions dead and complete economic collapse.

Just a few years ago all of you people were pointing at Venezuela as the example. They were doing everything you are talking about, taking over companies and profits, redistribution schemes, and on and on, and now you act surprised they are yet another failure and want to claim they were somehow not real socialism.

By the way "democratic" socialism is just rebranded socialism, the principles and goals are the same. Hell it's more like fascism.

The reason you people have to fall back to "these guys aren't worth talking to", is because you don't have a leg to stand on and you know it. You have a track record of 100% failure. Your economic system is nonsense that violates every law of economics. Your record on human rights is abysmal.

The bottom line is you bought the propaganda because it makes you feel good about yourself. They tell you that their system is for people who believe in education, compassion, and advancement of society. So you ignore the reality because you have some emotional void that they are filling. It's hollow propaganda and the the historic facts prove it.

Le Chat Noir
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kneeblock

Drapetomaniac
Apr 18, 2015
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I would say the person who is being unreasonable would be the one advocating a system that has completely failed for a century.
People repeating empty socialist platitudes, prove that you simply do not understand the basic laws and principles of economics or history.

People who are working for a profit with a company are receiving their share in pay, benefits, bonus' and yes owning part of the company with stocks if they so choose. Giving the profits to those who had no part of building it is called theft. The profits are not just money that appears from the ether and these people are grabbing more, it is the direct result of their thought and labor.

You wanting to take a percentage of the thought and labor of others is a form of serfdom or slavery and it is the very definition of the greed you claim to be against. That principle doesn't change just because someone makes a million instead of 100K. It's the same for a CEO compared to a mail clerk, just as it is for an NBA star compared to a towel boy.

Profit as a whole is not a zero sum game, it is created. If you want to raise the level of income for the poor then the programs should not be focused on redistribution, they should be focused on teaching people to create value. Once again, this is not even a debate. Both systems have been tried for a century. Capitalism resulted in the greatest advances and the highest standard of living in human history. Socialism resulted in millions dead and complete economic collapse.

Just a few years ago all of you people were pointing at Venezuela as the example. They were doing everything you are talking about, taking over companies and profits, redistribution schemes, and on and on, and now you act surprised they are yet another failure and want to claim they were somehow not real socialism.

By the way "democratic" socialism is just rebranded socialism, the principles and goals are the same. Hell it's more like fascism.

The reason you people have to fall back to "these guys aren't worth talking to", is because you don't have a leg to stand on and you know it. You have a track record of 100% failure. Your economic system is nonsense that violates every law of economics. Your record on human rights is abysmal.

The bottom line is you bought the propaganda because it makes you feel good about yourself. They tell you that their system is for people who believe in education, compassion, and advancement of society. So you ignore the reality because you have some emotional void that they are filling. It's hollow propaganda and the the historic facts prove it.

Le Chat Noir
©
The first half of your post literally restated Marx and Engels whole argument. You actually seem to already be a socialist. Welcome comrade!
 

Le Chat Noir

Le Chat Noir ©
Jan 28, 2020
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The first half of your post literally restated Marx and Engels whole argument. You actually seem to already be a socialist. Welcome comrade!

Minus the whole free association of free people with no government intervention and coercion.

History, how does it work?

Le Chat Noir
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Enock-O-Lypse Now!

Underneath Denver International Airport
Jun 19, 2016
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Read Marx. You'll like him. Trust.
I’d recommend starting with this:

Marx letter to Engels on July 30th 1862...

Letters: Marx-Engels Correspondence 1862


“The Jewish ni**er Lassalle who, I’m glad to say, is leaving at the end of this week, has happily lost another 5,000 talers in an ill-judged speculation.”



“It is now quite plain to me — as the shape of his head and the way his hair grows also testify — that he is descended from the negroes who accompanied Moses’ flight from Egypt (unless his mother or paternal grandmother interbred with a ni**er). Now, this blend of Jewishness and Germanness, on the one hand, and basic negroid stock, on the other, must inevitably give rise to a peculiar product. The fellow’s importunity is also ni**er-like.”


I don’t know kneeblock @Kneeblock I’m not really feeling what he’s preaching.
 

kneeblock

Drapetomaniac
Apr 18, 2015
12,435
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I’d recommend starting with this:

Marx letter to Engels on July 30th 1862...

Letters: Marx-Engels Correspondence 1862


“The Jewish ni**er Lassalle who, I’m glad to say, is leaving at the end of this week, has happily lost another 5,000 talers in an ill-judged speculation.”



“It is now quite plain to me — as the shape of his head and the way his hair grows also testify — that he is descended from the negroes who accompanied Moses’ flight from Egypt (unless his mother or paternal grandmother interbred with a ni**er). Now, this blend of Jewishness and Germanness, on the one hand, and basic negroid stock, on the other, must inevitably give rise to a peculiar product. The fellow’s importunity is also ni**er-like.”


I don’t know kneeblock @Kneeblock I’m not really feeling what he’s preaching.
Did you post that quote because I'm black?

 
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Oh fuck are the commies out of their pen again? Who the fuck left the gate open? kneeblock @Kneeblock get back in there you pesky rascal and take all the useful idiots with you!
 

Filthy

Iowa Wrestling Champion
Jun 28, 2016
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so a company ran by former Hillary 2016 campaign execs mis-reported the results, and centrist Pete comes out claiming "victory", and Joe Biden sues to keep the results from being released, and the networks start running full cycle with how great Mike Bloomberg did, and the DNC releases an ambiguous total from 62% of the precincts which shows centrist Pete with a small lead...

the establishment is so hell bent on keeping Bernie out, even if it means leaving President Trump in, that I almost feel obligated to go full BernieBro.
 
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so a company ran by former Hillary 2016 campaign execs mis-reported the results, and centrist Pete comes out claiming "victory", and Joe Biden sues to keep the results from being released, and the networks start running full cycle with how great Mike Bloomberg did, and the DNC releases an ambiguous total from 62% of the precincts which shows centrist Pete with a small lead...

the establishment is so hell bent on keeping Bernie out, even if it means leaving President Trump in, that I almost feel obligated to go full BernieBro.
Do it pussy
 

Le Chat Noir

Le Chat Noir ©
Jan 28, 2020
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Read Marx. You'll like him. Trust.
I have read Marx (one level above pop-up books) and I've read about Marx, the unemployed bum mooching off of Engels.

Also read every implementation and complete failure of their silly philosophy.

I guess some people just prefer to have bread and gas lines, rather than just admit the fault is their own.


Le Chat Noir
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FINGERS

TMMAC Addict
Nov 14, 2019
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I would say the person who is being unreasonable would be the one advocating a system that has completely failed for a century.
People repeating empty socialist platitudes, prove that you simply do not understand the basic laws and principles of economics or history.

People who are working for a profit with a company are receiving their share in pay, benefits, bonus' and yes owning part of the company with stocks if they so choose. Giving the profits to those who had no part of building it is called theft. The profits are not just money that appears from the ether and these people are grabbing more, it is the direct result of their thought and labor.

You wanting to take a percentage of the thought and labor of others is a form of serfdom or slavery and it is the very definition of the greed you claim to be against. That principle doesn't change just because someone makes a million instead of 100K. It's the same for a CEO compared to a mail clerk, just as it is for an NBA star compared to a towel boy.

Profit as a whole is not a zero sum game, it is created. If you want to raise the level of income for the poor then the programs should not be focused on redistribution, they should be focused on teaching people to create value. Once again, this is not even a debate. Both systems have been tried for a century. Capitalism resulted in the greatest advances and the highest standard of living in human history. Socialism resulted in millions dead and complete economic collapse.

Just a few years ago all of you people were pointing at Venezuela as the example. They were doing everything you are talking about, taking over companies and profits, redistribution schemes, and on and on, and now you act surprised they are yet another failure and want to claim they were somehow not real socialism.

By the way "democratic" socialism is just rebranded socialism, the principles and goals are the same. Hell it's more like fascism.

The reason you people have to fall back to "these guys aren't worth talking to", is because you don't have a leg to stand on and you know it. You have a track record of 100% failure. Your economic system is nonsense that violates every law of economics. Your record on human rights is abysmal.

The bottom line is you bought the propaganda because it makes you feel good about yourself. They tell you that their system is for people who believe in education, compassion, and advancement of society. So you ignore the reality because you have some emotional void that they are filling. It's hollow propaganda and the the historic facts prove it.

Le Chat Noir
©


Again. You do not see shades.

And also again.....This is pointless.

You fundamentally believe in 'the market' you utterly believe that America is the greatest place ever to have existed. Your orange God said as much last night. You have no nuance just prattle on about stuff you have no real idea of.

Venezuela collapsed for many reasons. Probably the main one was America forbidding them to sell their oil and forbidding other countries from buying it.

Stalin and Mao killed more but your countries death count isn't doing too bad this century. And the difference is its other countries citizens you are killing. All in the name of greed and profit.

When you look at socialist models around the world that are successful they constantly top the polls of places where citizens are most happy.

Must be just a coincidence eh?
 

Le Chat Noir

Le Chat Noir ©
Jan 28, 2020
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Again. You do not see shades.

And also again.....This is pointless.

You fundamentally believe in 'the market' you utterly believe that America is the greatest place ever to have existed. Your orange God said as much last night. You have no nuance just prattle on about stuff you have no real idea of.

Venezuela collapsed for many reasons. Probably the main one was America forbidding them to sell their oil and forbidding other countries from buying it.

Stalin and Mao killed more but your countries death count isn't doing too bad this century. And the difference is its other countries citizens you are killing. All in the name of greed and profit.

When you look at socialist models around the world that are successful they constantly top the polls of places where citizens are most happy.

Must be just a coincidence eh?

You are such a lemming. You speak in empty platitudes about greed and utopia. I gave you the basic laws of economics and the actual history of your silly philosophy...you can't accept those facts so you call it "prattling".

Yes Venezuela collapsed because of America, just like the USSR, Cuba, China, Laos, Vietnam, Germany, Romania, Angola, etc...hilarious.
You are choosing to be willfully ignorant and there is no helping someone like you who operates on emotion.

The countries you are referring to have repeatedly stated they are not socialist. In fact they turned from their 70's socialist bend because they were starting to fail.

Once again, the coincidence is western capitalist countries thrive, socialist/communist destroy lives and economies. That's not a grey area, it's this pesky thing called facts.

Let us know when you come to terms with reality.

Le Chat Noir
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