General Canadian Government releases legal limits for drugged driving but can't say how much pot is too much

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Freeloading Rusty

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Jan 11, 2016
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Government releases legal limits for drugged driving but can't say how much pot is too much

The federal government has released a draft of its planned drug concentration levels but admits the new rules provide no guidance on how much marijuana it would take to push a driver over the legal limit.

"It should be noted that THC is a more complex molecule than alcohol and the science is unable to provide general guidance to drivers about how much cannabis can be consumed before it is unsafe to drive or before the proposed levels would be exceeded," an analysis statement released with the draft regulations said.

The government also says that it cannot provide drivers any guidance as to how long they should wait before driving, operating a boat, train or aircraft after consuming cannabis.

"In this context, the safest approach for anyone who chooses to consume cannabis is to not mix their consumption with driving," the government said.

The lack of clarity worries Kyla Lee, a Vancouver-based criminal defence lawyer who specializes in impaired driving cases.

"That is incredibly troubling because, as the public, we have no knowledge of what it is we can and can't do and what it is we should do."

She said that simply saying: "Don't use marijuana and drive," isn't good enough. Lee points to the differences in how each person metabolizes marijuana and how long traces of the drug can stay in someone's system.

"You can never actually know if you're complying or not complying with the law," she said.

The new offences
The government has drafted legislation that would create three new offences for drugged driving including a summary offence for people with THC in their system but not enough for them to be impaired.

The government explains that the summary offence is not directly linked to impairment but rather is "based on a precautionary or a crime prevention approach."

Drivers who have a blood drug concentration of more than 2½ nanograms of THC (per mililitre of blood) but less than five nanograms could be found guilty of drugged driving under the proposed summary offence, which has a maximum fine of $1,000.

Drivers caught with more than five nanograms of THC in their blood would be guilty of impaired driving, while drivers with both alcohol and THC in their system would be considered impaired if they have more than 50 miligrams of alcohol (per 100 mililitres of blood) and greater than 2.5 nanograms of THC in their blood.

The government said the other two proposed offences would be similar to the offences for drunk driving. Drivers with more than five nanograms of THC in their blood would be punished with a mandatory fine of $1,000 for a first offence, 30 days imprisonment for a second offence and 120 days for a third offence.

A conviction without a crime
The summary conviction charge in particular has many lawyers concerned.

"That is a tricky and perhaps unconstitutional proposition when we're looking at criminal sanctions," said Ottawa criminal defence lawyer Michael Spratt.

Spratt's primary concern is that the summary conviction would mean a criminal record for people who aren't even considered impaired under the regulations. That can make it harder to travel internationally and create problems when volunteering or applying for a new job or housing.

"We're going to stigmatize a large number of people who are not acting — according to the regulations — in a dangerous manner," said Spratt.

Lesser penalties that wouldn't result in a criminal record would be a better option, Spratt suggests, such as a licence suspension or even impounding the driver's car.

Lee calls the proposal "absurd."

"That's incredibly concerning. Because you have the government saying we don't think this is criminal but we're going to create a criminal offence for it in order to prevent it from getting to the level where it might be criminal. That's unheard of in our legal history," Lee said.

Court challenges expected
While Justice Minister Jody Wilson-Raybould has insisted that her plan to crack down on impaired driving is constitutional, the government clearly expects it will be challenged.

Bill Blair, the Liberal point man on pot, said as much during a forum with Vice News in April.

"I'm sure they'll be subject to various court challenges. But it is, I think, in everyone's interest that we do our very best to make sure that law enforcement has the legislation, the technology, the training and the resources to keep our roadways safe."

Spratt agrees.
"The bill will be challenged and these regulations will likely be challenged too."

He said the success of those challenges will likely come down to scientific questions about how the government settled on limits.

Lee also believes challenges are inevitable.

"I can speak for the impaired driving defence lawyer community as a whole that we are incredibly concerned about this legislation. If people come to me, I will be challenging this law. If people go to my colleagues, I'm sure they will be doing the same thing."
 

Banchan

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The government never ceases to amaze me how they find creative new ways to capitolize on their citizens to front the bill for their expenses. Lets let them have pot but find even more ways to criminalize people for using it.
 

Freeloading Rusty

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The government never ceases to amaze me how they find creative new ways to capitolize on their citizens to front the bill for their expenses. Lets let them have pot but find even more ways to criminalize people for using it.
The Trudeau Liberals have failed the marijuana users in Canada, criminalizing us all. Anyone who uses on a regular basis is possibly now open to criminal charges anytime they drive even if they are not impaired.

2nanograms without signs of impairment being open to summary charges is bullshit.
 
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Gay For Longo

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Jan 22, 2016
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Being a medical marijuana user, I have to give up my drivers licence basically
No matter what I will always be over the limit, even if it's early afternoon and I haven't even medicated that day yet

Fucking ridiculous
 

Robbie Hart

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The fuck are they trying to do here? Fuck off and mind your business govt
 

Gay For Longo

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Does anybody know where I could go to get tested for what my regular level is
I would try to get an early appointment and not medicate the morning of and see just how ridiculous this 5nanograms is
 
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We get roadside tested here in Aus for THC

Apparently after 24 hours of no use you are safe to drive...Like I ever go 24 hours...Lol.

So far I have been lucky to not get tested.
 

Banchan

The Most Dangerous Dame
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The fuck are they trying to do here? Fuck off and mind your business govt
Collecting more revenue to support inflated salaries and pension of government employees.

Being under the influence of cannabis is the new speeding ticket.