General Canadian Politics eh.

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  1. DiSmAnTLeR

    DiSmAnTLeR Active Member

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    If you don’t see the humour in the mistaken assumption that people that previously weren’t concerned with breaking the law to smoke weed are suddenly so conflicted two months later, that they go without it, I really don’t know what to tell you.

    I see it more as the government saying, “you can choose to use this product, but there may be negative consequences to your decision, here’s why...” Are you opposed to health warnings on cigarettes and alcohol or government advertising in casinos that discourages gambling?
     
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  2. ConorMcGregorsBeard

    ConorMcGregorsBeard The Face That Runs the Place

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    Who made that assumption?
     
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    DiSmAnTLeR Active Member

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    Show me an article where the Canadian government said that crossing the border wouldn’t be an issue.
     
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    DiSmAnTLeR Active Member

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    Anyone advising potheads on how to not break the law.
     
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    ConorMcGregorsBeard The Face That Runs the Place

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    Trudeau government suggests most Canadian marijuana users and employees won’t face problems at U.S. border | The Star
     
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  6. DiSmAnTLeR

    DiSmAnTLeR Active Member

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    Did you bother to read the article? That headline is a tad misleading. Here’s a quote on the government’s position, you might not have seen it because it was buried at the bottom of the article.

    “Asked what advice the government would give legal users, the Blair spokesperson said: “Although the possession of cannabis is legal in some U.S. states, cannabis remains illegal under U.S. federal law. Canadians who wish to enter the United States or any other country have to adhere to its laws. Previous use of cannabis, or any substance prohibited by U.S. federal laws, could mean that you are denied entry to the U.S. Involvement in the legal cannabis industry in Canada could also result in your being denied entry.”“
     
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    ConorMcGregorsBeard The Face That Runs the Place

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    They actually didn't clarify if the spokesperson they're referring to in the opening paragraph is Blair or someone else.

    That being said, even if it is just Blair, and the Star is completely misrepresenting their facts. Do you not see the difference between "you might have problems" and "stop buying it"?
     
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  8. DiSmAnTLeR

    DiSmAnTLeR Active Member

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    You are the guy that I learned the term ‘Toronto red star’ in reference to he Toronto star lacking credibility and pushing a narrative, now you are referencing it as a source.




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    They made it very clear in the article that the person that they spoke to was Blair’s spokesperson. They referenced the person twice. First they simply stated that it was a spokesman...

    “a Canadian spokesperson suggested on Friday”

    Then they clarified that it was Blair’s spokesman. Bill Blair is the former Toronto chief of police and a member of parliament.

    “Asked what advice the government would give legal users, the Blair spokesperson said:“
     
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    ConorMcGregorsBeard The Face That Runs the Place

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    You asked for an article and were provided with one. I realize you're completely incapable of ever acknowledging you might be wrong, but you should probably just let this go.
     
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  11. DiSmAnTLeR

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    The article that you posted says the exact opposite that you claimed. Unfortunately you only read the headline and the first line of commentary then proceeded to jump the gun.

    If you would have read the entire article, you would have came upon the actual quote of the government’s position, which doesn’t fit your narrative.

    “Asked what advice the government would give legal users, the Blair spokesperson said: “Although the possession of cannabis is legal in some U.S. states, cannabis remains illegal under U.S. federal law. Canadians who wish to enter the United States or any other country have to adhere to its laws. Previous use of cannabis, or any substance prohibited by U.S. federal laws, could mean that you are denied entry to the U.S. Involvement in the legal cannabis industry in Canada could also result in your being denied entry.”“
     
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    ConorMcGregorsBeard The Face That Runs the Place

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    I gave you the first paragraph from the article, and as has been pointed out to you. There's a marked difference between "Well, you might have problems." and "Don't buy it."
     
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    You gave me the first sentence of the article out of context, not a paragraph. The article goes on to elaborate the spokesperson’s position..

    “But border officers do not ask most travellers about their drug use or their occupation. A spokesperson for Bill Blair, the Canadian minister of border security, suggested that the government does not expect large-scale U.S. hassling after legalization takes effect on Oct. 17.

    “Despite one-in-eight Canadians using cannabis today, 400,000 people move between our two countries every day almost entirely without incident,” the spokesperson said in an emailed statement.”

    I was wondering if you simply did not finish the article. The fact that you think a sentence is a paragraph is a pretty clear indicator.
     
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    ConorMcGregorsBeard The Face That Runs the Place

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    Are you aware that in this post of yours it says the government doesn't expect it to be an issue?
     
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    stay classy Canada
     
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    That is commentary from the author and the initial line of an article meant to draw in a reader, not a statement from the spokesperson. Here is the actual quote from the spokesperson that followed...

    “Despite one-in-eight Canadians using cannabis today, 400,000 people move between our two countries every day almost entirely without incident,” the spokesperson said in an emailed statement.

    Either the initial line drew you in, you read the article, and couldn’t even figure that out (or whether they were talking to Bill Blair or his spokesperson) or you read it and jumped the gun before reading the entire article and posted it. I don’t know which is worse.

    You have also previously been critical of the Toronto Star but now you are making the pieces fit because it suits your narrative. You can’t have it both ways.
     
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    You really don't see the difference in tone between the statements in that article and the one Gusto posted where the government is telling people not to buy weed at all?
     
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    Lars Staff Shouldn’t Change Signatures

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    Ffs
     
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    Do you not realize that the caution put out to Canadians was put out by the Privacy Commissioner of Canada and not the Trudeau government?

    Of course there’s a difference.

    The Privacy Commissioner of Canada is a non-partisan ombudsman and officer of the Parliament of Canada that investigates complaints filed by Canadians who feel their privacyrights have been violated and reports to Parliament on whether there has been a violation of the Privacy Act. This deals with personal information held by the Government of Canada, or the Personal Information Protection and Electronic Documents Act (PIPEDA), which deals with personal information held in federally regulated private sector industries.
     
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    I do, I also realize that the federal government isn't who decided Ontarians had to buy their grass online.

    Yet you just spent two hours arguing over it. You're adorable.
     
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    The difference is that the Privacy Commissioner is non-partisan, not beholden to the Liberal Party, and does not represent them, while Bill Blair’s spokesperson is. Apples and oranges.


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  23. MC Gusto

    MC Gusto I bought a gun and chose drugs instead

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    Makes me wonder, does American border security put this much scrutiny on visitors from say Portugal or the Netherlands when they come to visit America?
     
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    MC Gusto I bought a gun and chose drugs instead

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    Justin Trudeau's Approval Rating At Lowest Point Since 2015, Poll Says
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    NDP really shit the bed with Singh.

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    MC Gusto I bought a gun and chose drugs instead

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    B.C. Appeal Court says RCMP ‘manufactured’ terrorism plot against B.C. legislature
    A big ol' derp by the RCMP.
     
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