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  1. Lamont Cranston

    Lamont Cranston Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men?
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    Trudeau has had one cabinet member resign due to inappropriate influence, another resign due to lack of confidence, another has now come out to say he was inappropriate with her.

    He tried to have Butts fall on his sword for him but people are not buying it. This won't go away.
     
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  2. ConorMcGregorsBeard

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    Source?
     
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    David Sidoo steps down as CEO of Vancouver companies in light of college cheating scandal
     
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  9. MC Gusto

    MC Gusto I bought a gun and chose drugs instead

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    Nothing to see here.
     
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  12. BirdWatcher

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    When it’s in The best interests of the nation, I support it.
     
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    Fair enough.

    How much weight does it carry though? Person recording can steer the conversation and be on their best behavior while other person is speaking frankly. I get why she did it but think she should have disclosed what she was doing at start of conversation. If he claimed up or changed his tune then that could be pretty significant too. I haven't followed this story super close so could be way off though.
     
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    You are way off Bruv. This guy was rotten to the core and needed to be exposed for all to see. This is a big time scandal.
     
  16. ConorMcGregorsBeard

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    Also, gross. As you pointed out it gave her the opportunity to steer the conversation BUT if he wasn't doing anything wrong she wouldn't have had anywhere to lead him.

    In her case I'm willing to give her a "end justifies the means" free pass because she saw the writing on the wall and knew if she blew the whistle on them they'd lie and throw her under the bus so the recordings are an insurance policy. Its also worth noting that political offices recording phone calls isn't exactly a rare occurrence.
     
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    I realize the guys rotten, just curious about the secret recording specifically. Like @ConorMcGregorsBeard@ConorMcGregorsBeard says the end justifies the means here and it's nothing new. JWR making the outgoing call with the intent to record just doesn't seem like the best approach though. Would have been better if she got him calling her or if she told him at beginning of convo then asked direct questions and see where he goes.

    How has this played out for her so far?
     
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    1) They demoted her for not playing ball and gave her job to someone who would.
    2) Someone leaked that she'd been pressured into the thing.
    3) The Liberals publicly said that nothing had happened and the reports were false.
    4) Gerald Butts (JT's BFF) resigns from his position as head advisor to the PMO.
    5) JT said he talked to her, they were on the same page and everything was cool. After all she was still in cabinet and that speaks volumes.
    6) She quits the cabinet.
    7) Some of the more Liberal leaning (party not political persuasion) media outlets started smearing her publicly saying the whole thing was sour grapes and she was known for being a bitch.
    8) Opposition demands some sort of investigation so JWR can tell her side of the story.
    9) Wernick says she's full of shit in committee.
    10) She gives very, very detailed notes about how it all went down.
    11) Butts gives his side of the story.
    12) Pressure mounts to let JWR respond to Butts.
    13) Wernick resigns from his job.
    14) The Liberal run committee decides they don't need to hear JWR testify again because nothing happened and shut down the committee (if you do it on budget day maybe no one will notice)
    15) This tape is released to the public.
    16) She got fired from the party.

    Now, that's also ignoring a couple other things that happened during this fiasco. Another cabinet member resigned because of how JWR was being treated, and another female MP said she isn't running again and that Trudeau was abusive toward her. In all instances JT has gone with "Well, we experienced those events differently." Also, that this whole thing was justified by "We need to protect the 9000 SNC Lavalin jobs and they're going to move their HQ to the U.K. if we fuck with them." both of these claims have been, for lack of better terms debunked. Mostly by the head of SNC Lavalin when he said he didn't know where those numbers came from or where they got the idea they would move out of spite because they have contracts with the province that force them to be there. What's been really interesting is the ever changing story of events by the Liberal party, they also continue to go further down the slander path with anyone who criticizes the party from within.

    No one is coming out of this head, and JWR probably worse off than anyone else.
     
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    Thanks so for taking the time to post. I was up to date to #8 then heard about recording. Agree with final outcomes.
     
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    They also canned Jane Philpott for those who might be scorekeeping.
     
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    Could we keep the corruption and hypocrisy to a minimum?


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    In the spirit of all you foreign interlopers trying to subvert our electoral process so you can take over America, I'm going to read this whole thread this weekend and start forming some hot takes.
     
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    Trudeau is a turd
     
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    Still wood.
     
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