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saw this from a boxing writer TwitLonger — When you talk too much for Twitter

Can Hair Analysis Help Boxing Clarify Clenbuterol Contamination Claims?
By Gabriel Montoya

In the past two months, two boxers have tested positive for clenbuterol. Both men, WBA heavyweight
regular titleholder Lucas Browne and WBC super featherweight titleholder Francisco Vargas, were part of
the Voluntary Anti-Doping Association (VADA) third party program when their A samples came up
positive for clenbuterol. Both men contend that their positive results, occuring in two separate countries,
were due to ingesting clenbuterol-contaminated beef. They also both share a way to exonerate their names
of any intentional wrongdoing that has been either overlooked or ignored by their representatives, the
California State Athletic Commission (CSAC) and VADA: hair testing.
According to the World Anti-Doping Agency Code, there is no allowable limit for Clenbuterol as it is not
a naturally occuring substance in the body. Therefore, when an athlete tests positive, he is subject to Strict
Liability, according to WADA Code.
What is Strict Liability? Its essentially means that an athlete is responsible for what is found in his body,
regardless if it is through no fault of their own.
From WADA's website, “The principle of strict liability is applied in situations where urine/blood
samples collected from an athlete have produced adverse analytical results. It means that each athlete is
strictly liable for the substances found in his or her bodily specimen, and that an anti-doping rule violation
occurs whenever a prohibited substance (or its metabolites or markers) is found in bodily specimen,
whether or not the athlete intentionally or unintentionally used a prohibited substance or was negligent or
otherwise at fault.”
Once an athlete tests positive under WADA's jurisdiction, they have limited options. They can test the B
sample and hope the result comes back negative. However, since the A and B samples are simply the
same sample divided, that is unlikely. An athlete could also attack the sample collection process. Or he
can conduct his own independent investigation into the food he ate, the location, and origin of the food in
question. A risky and likely expensive proposition. But none of those avenues can address whether or not
the athlete had intent to cheat or not.
However, there is another option that potentially can exonerate both men of that: Testing of their hair
samples for Clenuterol.
If the intent to cheat is in question, testing the athletes hair sample may give a more accurate reading of
how long Clenbuterol has been in the athletes' system. Why? Because Clenbuterol is excreted over time
through hair. The window of drug detection in blood and urine samples can be hours and days. In hair, “a
drug detection window can be up to weeks, months, even years,” according to one study. In 2010,
German table tennis player Dimitrij Ovtcharov tested positive for Clenbuterol and was later exonerated
after he had his hair tested.
With testosterone testing cases, there is the initial T/E ratio test that measures testosterone to
epitestostrone. WADA Code allows for a 4:1 limit. If an athlete has a T/E ratio over that limit, a
confirmatory Carbon Isotope Ratio (CIR/CRMS) test is conducted to determine the presence of
exogenous testosterone.
In the case of a Clenbuterol positive, a hair test could serve as a valid confirmatory test for Clenbuterol
abuse. If an athlete truly tested positive due to food contamination, the level in a hair sample will show
that with a low concentration. A normal range and comparison study of Clenbuterol in hair samples was
established in an August 2014 study entitled “Statistical significance of hair analysis of clenbuterol to
discriminate therapeutic use from contamination.”
Both Vargas and Browne had urine samples tested by VADA come back negative prior to their positive A
samples. It makes sense in cases where there are claims of Clenbuterol contamination to use hair testing
to possibly determine the length of Clenbuterol exposure. A determination that may establish whether there was an intention to cheat or not.
 
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saw this from a boxing writer TwitLonger — When you talk too much for Twitter

Can Hair Analysis Help Boxing Clarify Clenbuterol Contamination Claims?
By Gabriel Montoya

In the past two months, two boxers have tested positive for clenbuterol. Both men, WBA heavyweight
regular titleholder Lucas Browne and WBC super featherweight titleholder Francisco Vargas, were part of
the Voluntary Anti-Doping Association (VADA) third party program when their A samples came up
positive for clenbuterol. Both men contend that their positive results, occuring in two separate countries,
were due to ingesting clenbuterol-contaminated beef. They also both share a way to exonerate their names
of any intentional wrongdoing that has been either overlooked or ignored by their representatives, the
California State Athletic Commission (CSAC) and VADA: hair testing.
According to the World Anti-Doping Agency Code, there is no allowable limit for Clenbuterol as it is not
a naturally occuring substance in the body. Therefore, when an athlete tests positive, he is subject to Strict
Liability, according to WADA Code.
What is Strict Liability? Its essentially means that an athlete is responsible for what is found in his body,
regardless if it is through no fault of their own.
From WADA's website, “The principle of strict liability is applied in situations where urine/blood
samples collected from an athlete have produced adverse analytical results. It means that each athlete is
strictly liable for the substances found in his or her bodily specimen, and that an anti-doping rule violation
occurs whenever a prohibited substance (or its metabolites or markers) is found in bodily specimen,
whether or not the athlete intentionally or unintentionally used a prohibited substance or was negligent or
otherwise at fault.”
Once an athlete tests positive under WADA's jurisdiction, they have limited options. They can test the B
sample and hope the result comes back negative. However, since the A and B samples are simply the
same sample divided, that is unlikely. An athlete could also attack the sample collection process. Or he
can conduct his own independent investigation into the food he ate, the location, and origin of the food in
question. A risky and likely expensive proposition. But none of those avenues can address whether or not
the athlete had intent to cheat or not.
However, there is another option that potentially can exonerate both men of that: Testing of their hair
samples for Clenuterol.
If the intent to cheat is in question, testing the athletes hair sample may give a more accurate reading of
how long Clenbuterol has been in the athletes' system. Why? Because Clenbuterol is excreted over time
through hair. The window of drug detection in blood and urine samples can be hours and days. In hair, “a
drug detection window can be up to weeks, months, even years,” according to one study. In 2010,
German table tennis player Dimitrij Ovtcharov tested positive for Clenbuterol and was later exonerated
after he had his hair tested.
With testosterone testing cases, there is the initial T/E ratio test that measures testosterone to
epitestostrone. WADA Code allows for a 4:1 limit. If an athlete has a T/E ratio over that limit, a
confirmatory Carbon Isotope Ratio (CIR/CRMS) test is conducted to determine the presence of
exogenous testosterone.
In the case of a Clenbuterol positive, a hair test could serve as a valid confirmatory test for Clenbuterol
abuse. If an athlete truly tested positive due to food contamination, the level in a hair sample will show
that with a low concentration. A normal range and comparison study of Clenbuterol in hair samples was
established in an August 2014 study entitled “Statistical significance of hair analysis of clenbuterol to
discriminate therapeutic use from contamination.”
Both Vargas and Browne had urine samples tested by VADA come back negative prior to their positive A
samples. It makes sense in cases where there are claims of Clenbuterol contamination to use hair testing
to possibly determine the length of Clenbuterol exposure. A determination that may establish whether there was an intention to cheat or not.
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possible for sure


But, I would think Canelo would be aware of this and not eat meat tainted.

I would have personal chef and source the meat properly.

interesting for sure
 
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Lol, and now the built in excuse of tainted meat

Just like the corruption that led to him getting a draw against GGG, he will not face shit for this
 
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Rambo John J said:
possible for sure


But, I would think Canelo would be aware of this and not eat meat tainted.

I would have personal chef and source the meat properly.

interesting for sure
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We'll see if he takes a hair test & what it says, if he doesn't take one that should tell us all we need to know. I've read a lot on food labeling & shenanigans around it, I actually find it plausible that he tried & still failed. Guess we'll find out soon enough
 
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What are the odds this fight still happens.

The money alone will have things go one way automatically.

If they had a corrupted Bird on the judges they sure as hell might have one at the anti-doping agency.

I say this all gets blown over and the fight happens..


If not.






LOL!

GGG all the way!
 
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I believe him. Shit does happen. I don’t see this stopping the fight I do want to see it again. I’m still riding with Alvarez
 
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And doesn't he train in the US?

GGG wins again.
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I just know if you are smart and juicing...you either have a supplement on hand to blame or some tainted meat to sell.

I do not know much about Canelo....I am too busy drooling over my good boy GGG
 
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he's been in Mexico the past couple of months
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I can see cutting loose and eating some mexican BBQ and other great food, but the PED game has lied too many times to me/us.

I don't know shit about roids like CLen either.
 
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Rambo John J said:
I can see cutting loose and eating some mexican BBQ and other great food, but the PED game has lied too many times to me/us.

I don't know shit about roids like CLen either.
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I agree, & I'm not an expert either. The only thing that's causing me to hesitate is there's apparently an easy way to tell, I'm just waiting to see if he takes it. Victor Conte is going to be on one of my favorite boxing shows/podcasts in 40 minutes or so if you're interested


View: https://twitter.com/TNRBoxingShow/status/970783374993326080
 
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