General Civil Unrest MEGATHREAD

[Dat Pre-HollyHolm Ronda $]

i think you're hung up on "minor".

17 yo, out of HS (or had met minimums), had a regular job...I don't see him maturing dramatically in the few months between the incident and his birthday.

His parents could have signed for him to join the USMC, so he's mature enough in the eyes of the law and his parents to make adult decisions. I can check the timeline, but it's in my head that the parent dropped him off unarmed, and he went to his friend's house later and retrieved the rifle...i might be wrong, it doesn't change the lack of criminality by the parent.

this isn't a 15 yo with mental health issues who's parents bought him a handgun and gave him free access...those people are being prosecuted (as they fukn should be)

and at the end of the day, he's the only one of the people involved in that altercation who acted responsibly and within the law. He didn't escalate the situation by firing his gun into the air, he didn't assault anyone with his illegally-possessed handgun, he didn't try to start fires and assault people who intervened, he didn't use his rifle as a blunt weapon and try to cave someone's head in...

the people who bear the blame in the situation are the BLM organizers who allowed "Antifa" (just anti-social idiots who wanted to start fires and break shit), and on the Kenosha PD/SO/WI State Patrol who did nothing to protect businesses from those anti-social idiots.

Power abhors a vacuum.

He circumvented regulations to obtain a firearm.

Clear demonstration of lack of respect for firearms and poor gunmanship.

My grandad would have nipped that shit in the bud right there.

 

[Filthy]

He circumvented regulations to obtain a firearm.

Clear demonstration of lack of respect for firearms and poor gunmanship.

My grandad would have nipped that shit in the bud right there.

he obtained the firearm legally. He didn't circumvent any rules in obtaining the firearm. If he did, please cite the statute he violated.
but that route to obtain a firearm is available because there's no way to close it that doesn't expose 10s of millions of responsible gun owners to malicious prosecution from DAs like Binger.

I agree that the adults in my life nipped that shit in the bud, but when the person is an adult in the eyes of law, the days of parental bud-nipping are past.

 

[Dat Pre-HollyHolm Ronda $]

he obtained the firearm legally. He didn't circumvent any rules in obtaining the firearm. If he did, please cite the statute he violated.
but that route to obtain a firearm is available because there's no way to close it that doesn't expose 10s of millions of responsible gun owners to malicious prosecution from DAs like Binger.

I agree that the adults in my life nipped that shit in the bud, but when the person is an adult in the eyes of law, the days of parental bud-nipping are past.

Did he not get a friend to buy the weapon because he couldn't?

If that isnt the case then I'm mistaken

 

[Filthy]

1. I didn't call for the prosecution of anyone.

I explicity stated the verdict was correct but "personally" I wished the judge would have scolded him
and gave him some small form of punisment like community service or hell... even mandated firearms
safety training and responsibility classes.

2. I'm unaware of anyone else that circumvented regulations to get a firearm and then
put themselves in a situation where they had to use that weapon with deadly force.

...and if there was someone else that did then they should receive the same punisment
and scolding that I wished the judge would have given Rittenhouse.

Someone has to teach that young man basic gunmanship and firearm responsibility

Clearly his parents did not

Gaige was carrying a concealed handgun with an expired CHL.

he then pointed that weapon at someone, without a self-defense justification.

he also drove twice as far as KR to be at the riot.

but again, this situation is only a thing because the Woke Leaders of Kenosha decided that as long as you carried a BLM sign to the riot, they weren't going to intervene.

 

[Dat Pre-HollyHolm Ronda $]

Gaige was carrying a concealed handgun with an expired CHL.

he then pointed that weapon at someone, without a self-defense justification.

he also drove twice as far as KR to be at the riot.

but again, this situation is only a thing because the Woke Leaders of Kenosha decided that as long as you carried a BLM sign to the riot, they weren't going to intervene.

Then he should be punished. Its pretty simple to me.

 

[Filthy]

Did he not get a friend to buy the weapon because he couldn't?

If that isnt the case then I'm mistaken

absolutely the case, but not at all illegal because the purchaser did not transfer ownership of the weapon.

I can give my dad $400 to buy me a shotgun for hunting when I'm 12. As long as he retains ownership and control of the weapon, it's not a straw purchase. Even if we have an agreement that he'll transfer ownership to me when I'm of legal age.

that's why I don't think you can legislate that part away without making common firearm exchanges criminal.

and I think we all know how a prohibition on mutually-beneficial exchange between adults will work out...

(see also: drugs and prostitution)

 

[Filthy]

Then he should be punished. Its pretty simple to me.

i agree, but he won't be.

that's my point about selective and malicious prosecution.

 

[Dat Pre-HollyHolm Ronda $]

absolutely the case, but not at all illegal because the purchaser did not transfer ownership of the weapon.

I can give my dad $400 to buy me a shotgun for hunting when I'm 12. As long as he retains ownership and control of the weapon, it's not a straw purchase. Even if we have an agreement that he'll transfer ownership to me when I'm of legal age.

that's why I don't think you can legislate that part away without making common firearm exchanges criminal.

and I think we all know how a prohibition on mutually-beneficial exchange between adults will work out...

(see also: drugs and prostitution)

"absolutely the case, but not at all illegal"

Thats exactly what I stated and my very problem with the way many Americans think

All gunmanship and responsible ownership goes out the window as long as its "technically legal".

Its still piss poor gunmanship and basic firearm responsibility that was not corrected by Rittenhouse's parents nor the judge.

Which is why I wanted the judge to point out that behavior to him and his parents and correct it.

"But this is Murica and basic gunmanship and respect for the weapons in your household
doesn't matter as long as its "legal". So my opinion essentially means dick".

 

[Filthy]

"absolutely the case, but not at all illegal"

Thats exactly what I stated and my very problem with the way many Americans think

All gunmanship and responsible ownership goes out the window as long as its "technically legal".

Its still piss poor gunmanship and basic firearm responsibility that was not corrected by Rittenhouse's parents nor the judge.

Which is why I wanted the judge to point out that behavior to him and his parents and correct it.

"But this is Murica and basic gunmanship and respect for the weapons in your household
doesn't matter as long as its "legal". So my opinion essentially means dick".

you can't legislate "basic gunmanship".

 

[Dat Pre-HollyHolm Ronda $]

you can't legislate "basic gunmanship".

No you can't. We can teach our children and those households
that have firearms to be better gun owners though.

That is what I wanted done here. Nothing more

 

[Filthy]

No you can't. We can teach our children and those households
that have firearms to be better gun owners though.

That is what I wanted done here. Nothing more

complete agreement.

edit- but i don't think the judicial system is where that lesson is taught.

 

[Dat Pre-HollyHolm Ronda $]

@Dat Pre-HollyHolm Ronda $

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[Thuglife13]

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[John Lee Pettimore]

His parents could have signed for him to join the USMC, so he's mature enough in the eyes of the law ... to make adult decisions.

Well, that's not really true, is it?

Some (but not all) things that Kyle Rittenhouse wasn't allowed to do yet in Illinois (or wasn't allowed to do on his own) when he shot those guys, because he was too young to be considered legally responsible yet:

* Buy a beer
* Gamble in a casino
* Place a bet
* Sign a legally binding contract on his own recognizance
* Sue or be sued
* Make porn
* Work in the sex industry
* Serve on a jury
* Buy a ticket to see Deadpool

Etc, etc.

??

 

[mysticmac]

Well, that's not really true, is it?

Some (but not all) things that Kyle Rittenhouse wasn't allowed to do yet in Illinois (or wasn't allowed to do on his own) when he shot those guys, because he was too young to be considered legally responsible yet:

* Buy a beer
* Gamble in a casino
* Place a bet
* Sign a legally binding contract on his own recognizance
* Sue or be sued
* Make porn
* Work in the sex industry
* Serve on a jury
* Buy a ticket to see Deadpool

Etc, etc.

??

Things he could legally do:
* Fight and possibly die for his country with gun in hand (obviously with his parents permission).

 

[Filthy]

Well, that's not really true, is it?

Some (but not all) things that Kyle Rittenhouse wasn't allowed to do yet in Illinois (or wasn't allowed to do on his own) when he shot those guys, because he was too young to be considered legally responsible yet:

* Buy a beer
* Gamble in a casino
* Place a bet
* Sign a legally binding contract on his own recognizance
* Sue or be sued
* Make porn
* Work in the sex industry
* Serve on a jury
* Buy a ticket to see Deadpool

Etc, etc.

??

R rated movies are 17.

And he can join the military at 17.

Your point is dull

 

[John Lee Pettimore]

R rated movies are 17.

Okay, here they are 18.

And he can join the military at 17.

Sure..... if mommy lets him.

??

 

[mysticmac]

17 yr old New Zealanders are not responsible enough to watch R rated movies. I blame bad parenting. Heck, I wouldn't even trust most of the adults over there with a firearm!

 

[Filthy]

Okay, here they are 18.



Sure..... if mommy lets him.

??

He can emancipate at 16

 

[John Lee Pettimore]

He can emancipate at 16

Or he can wait until he's an adult, and do everything that you can and every other adult can. ?

??

 

[Filthy]

Or he can wait until he's an adult, and do everything that you can and every other adult can. ?

??

He's can pilot 4 tons of screaming firey death at 14...

Your point is, bluntly, dull.

 

[John Lee Pettimore]

He's can pilot 4 tons of screaming firey death at 14...

Your point is, bluntly, dull.

All I'm saying is that he's more a kid than he is an adult. He's not a grown man by any means.

??

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

Or he can wait until he's an adult, and do everything that you can and every other adult can. ?

??

Not to knit pick, but there's a bunch of people who are 18, and still can't do a bunch of the things on your list.

 

[Filthy]

All I'm saying is that he's more a kid than he is an adult. He's not a grown man by any means.

??

He's an adult by any legal definition.

Stop trying so hard

 

[Filthy]

"Kyle Rittenhouse should have tried in juvenile court."
@John Lee Pettimore