General Coup underway in Venezuela right now

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    How can you say its the same shit? RT clearly has a different narrative/perspective on geo-politics and world events, this should be clear.

    Yes it is biased in its own right and yes it is propaganda but at least it breaks the CNN-FOX stranglehold of views. It offers a totally new 3rd set of eyes. IMO this has the potential to snap people out of the binary paradigm, and hopefully opens doors to further perspectives which I always think is healthy to even try to start understanding anything.

    WAR RT.
     
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    plus they produced Abby Martin who I have a tinfoil crush on.
     
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    Prob not. Like I said, it doesn't matter if "our guy" gets in. External play taints him no matter how good he is by whatever metric you measure that. The classic classist revolution, hispanic nationalist calls, and yes, often race, are all at play here like other socialist movements seen in Latin American over the last 100 years. I remember in the early 2000's the race based campaigning by Chavez and his opposition with people calling Chavez supporters monkeys from the barrio. Race has often been there but its just as much a long immoral history of race repression that created the conditions for Chavez to entice that group.

    Still, with the economy crashing and shortages, the traditional poor (and mestizo) areas of support for Chavez are not as enamored with Maduro. Maduro hasn't delivered the good and he isn't nearly as charismatic.
     
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    Again, slanted news is slanted news.

    So the solution to cleaning the shit off the wall is to throw more shit at it?

    I'm not trying to be cheeky. I get your perspective, it's just not how things actually work in the real world.
     
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    Sanctions have been fairly effective in weakening the already less than Chavez-like appeal of Maduro but not enough to swing it back in favor of the traditional minority ruling class candidate imho. I remember being struck by the completely Caucasian composition of the anti Chavez protesters the first time I saw them in the street, there is just no sweeping that under the rug. It's there.

    Venezuela has an unusually large white minority it seems and I think the ballot box process must be very frustrating for them They are accustomed to power. .
     
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    'splain me 'the real world' then.

    I see news and propaganda as a very serious issue, the majority trapped in the TV binary reality. That to me is the 'real world', and it bothers me a lot. Anything that helps snap people out of that TV binary reality and presents other sides of the issues has some worth. Most people won't trust independent sites or conspiracy channels, so RT offers that high production value but with a totally different spin.

    Personally I feel the RT narrative is far closer to the truth than CNN or FOX, they are outside that USA comfort zone and dares to fathom that maybe USA ain't always the good guys. I think RT has hit a lot of good stuff over the years actually. One must always be aware of their bias of course but I respect them 1000X more than CNN and the other MSM whores.
     
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    She left years ago.

    Also, you're trying to come to a logical middleground with TMMAC's version of David Hogg.
     
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    @conor mcgregor nut hugger@conor mcgregor nut hugger They were protesting or whatever you want to call it on Sample and University. I am probably mostly with these people but I hate these stupid protests and marches in other countries but the one it actually matters in.
     
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    I had a married friend that was married to a lady who’s family was very well off. He had a business and was a very hard worker so not a freeloader. In the Bush years he had a GF on the side. A hot little Cuban. During the week he would take her to Mexico early morning. Fly to Cuba with her from Mexico so she could see her family and make it back to Boca for dinner with his wife. I never understood how he did it (passport thing) but he did. Cuba libre (sp)
     
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    You got to love America. They give billions of dollars in foreign aid to another country with a far higher standard of living then them, and to Venezuela with millions of starving people, they place economic sanctions and pat themselves on the back for being the good guys. Lol
     
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    Gotta love how stupid Trump, John Bolton and Pompeo are. Bolton in particular is a fucking moron - people focus on the 'evil' part and forget how often he fucks up.

    If you are trying to initiate a coup, you don't plaster yourself all over TV and Twitter as being blatantly responsible for it. That doesn't go down well with the targeted population
     
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    I was befuddled about why Bolton went on TV to talk about how three top confidantes to Maduro had agreed to oust him from power. And then Pompeo saying that Maduro had planned to leave to Cuba in the morning but was convinced by Russia to stay.

    I don't know if this is just a really shitty strategy or a lack of strategy entirely.

    It'll be interesting to see how this all turns out.
     
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    The Russia line is an excuse for failure and to keep the pressure on.

    These morons are swinging wildly at everything trying to fight every battle at once.

    The US proved that it's not even capable of colonising Iraq and Afghanistan at once these days - they let up on one and the other went to shit. Now they are trying to keep them in play, add in Iran, Venezuela, Syria, North Korea, Yemen and others. Keep being in a Cold War with Russia. Start a new Cold War with China. Start a Trade War with Europe. Get into it with Pakistan - turn around and get into it with their enemy India so as to completely negate the potential benefit . All at once.

    And you can't do all those things at once. You can only isolate yourself and make most of the world your enemy.

    These are not smart men. The US is incredibly powerful but it's not nearly as powerful as these dipshits think it is.
     
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    Self-proclaimed Venezuelan president Juan Guaido's coup yesterday failed to get off the ground. The military did not join him and protests were barely seen outside a few of Caracas's wealthy neighborhoods. Frustrated and furious, US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo responded by threatening direct US military action to overthrow President Maduro. An urgent call with Russian foreign minister is scheduled today. Are neocons about to ignite the earth?
     
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