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I’m not even gonna watch it, I will be too upset
Cops didn't do anything wrong if they followed procedure. F'em if not.
They are generally easy on the guy and restrain him without significant violence or over reacting.
Department did a bad job authorizing that restraining, assuming they did. It's fine short term but what are the length of time parameters? I doubt there are any.
His breathing was compromised but not in anyway that was overt or violent. The department should be sued.
Why did the paramedic give a sedative without assessing the patient? Depending on policy the fire department and/or paramedic should be sued.
They are generally easy on the guy and restrain him without significant violence or over reacting.
Department did a bad job authorizing that restraining, assuming they did. It's fine short term but what are the length of time parameters? I doubt there are any.
His breathing was compromised but not in anyway that was overt or violent. The department should be sued.
Why did the paramedic give a sedative without assessing the patient? Depending on policy the fire department and/or paramedic should be sued.
I'm watching non-medical personnel respond to a medical situation. If they followed their training, nothing the cops did is egregious. They did a layman's job and nothing outrageous. Problem is departmental training if we assume they followed their training.
I do want to know why the paramedic administered a medicine without any assessment. That now steps up the chain of understanding and is not appropriate in any way.
I don't know too much about that but possibly.
If you have a call to some guy that seems drugged out you have to consider it that he's having a psychiatric break. The initial response is pretty similar in both cases so I would expect a proper response to be a multidisciplinary team.
Cop show up in the guys rambling about satellites but can easily be contained, they should wait medical personnel to arrive before approaching.
Physical restraint is the very last resort in these cases ideally. Talking down and then medicate them down. In such a case the cops would have held him still and the paramedics could have administer the intramuscular haloperidol which is probably what they gave him. That minimizes the amount of restraint time.
have a hard time falting the individual cops because they just don't seem to have a good system.
But I can easily blame the departments.
It’s good to see that they were kneeling on his back while he was handcuffed
He was a serious threat on his stomach and handcuffed
I’ve seen tons of people go crazy and beat up 4 cops while cuffed, on their stomach and their legs also restrained
Very dangerous from that position, scary for the cops
Also they should have knelt on his neck with extreme force to keep him under control and frankly, the 4 cops didn’t joke around enough, they should have been cracking many more jokes as they have to make fun of people in distress with more arrogance or what’s the point?
He was a serious threat on his stomach and handcuffed
I’ve seen tons of people go crazy and beat up 4 cops while cuffed, on their stomach and their legs also restrained
Very dangerous from that position, scary for the cops
Also they should have knelt on his neck with extreme force to keep him under control and frankly, the 4 cops didn’t joke around enough, they should have been cracking many more jokes as they have to make fun of people in distress with more arrogance or what’s the point?
And here we go...
HE called them reporting he was under distress and was already handcuffed before they arrived, all the cops did was force him to the ground and asphyxiate him for 13 minutes. The paramedics were there for 4 minutes before they did anything.
Per the officers- “I’d make sure he’s still breathing,” one officer says, as another scoffs. “Because his nose is buried in the dirt” and they continued to joke.
It was ruled a homicide by the medical examiner but those officers are back at work serving a grateful community.
Homicide by what?And here we go...
HE called them reporting he was under distress and was already handcuffed before they arrived, all the cops did was force him to the ground and asphyxiate him for 13 minutes. The paramedics were there for 4 minutes before they did anything.
Per the officers- “I’d make sure he’s still breathing,” one officer says, as another scoffs. “Because his nose is buried in the dirt” and they continued to joke.
It was ruled a homicide by the medical examiner but those officers are back at work serving a grateful community.
Asphyxiation.
Homicide just means that he was killed by a person, they're not going to catch charges.
Agree 100%. Did not seem bad to me at all. Anyone who thinks this is hard to watch has likely never been handcuffed. They were cool to him and trying to joke w him. It's what cops do. How would they know he was Gona die? Also looked like a paramedic was there and gave him a shot so cops would prolly assume he would spot a problem
There actions along with the paramedics caused his death according to the medical examiner but for sure the paramedics non-action after giving him a sedative was a major part.
Also his actions of not taking his mental health meds then taking drugs, then getting handcuffed by security guards which brought the cops to him. Cops just did what they do. I've been in much worse situations w cops. This was tame
based on your other threads, i don't think it your reference for normal behavior has been calibrated recently.
But I appreciate your perspective.
HE is the one that called the police for help, not the security guard. So the lesson is don't seek help because cops are cops, right.
Yes I didn't have a sedative injected into me so there's that