General Did China do something wrong? poll

[Poiupoiu]

The Chinese are good at replacement migration.

Start exporting your people to nearby mainland's, then a couple of hundred years later when those people have started breeding and outgrowing the existing population, start removing their history, replacing it with your own, then claim this other country as always yours, there was just a political dispute.

Wait, what?

"Taiwan continued to be a destination for Chinese migrants for 200 years under the Qing Dynasty, despite the Chinese ban on emigration at that time. Under Japanese rule, internal migration became the driving force in the development of Taiwan, though many Chinese did come to the country in the late 1940s during the time of the Chinese civil war."

Tradition and Progress: Taiwan's Evolving Migration Reality

In a highly selective way, flows of internal migrants within Taiwan have responded quickly to political, economic, and social changes throughout the nation’s history, and have spurred development of the country’s industrial, services, and technological industries. In the past 20 years, however...

www.migrationpolicy.org

United Nations Population Division | Department of Economic and Social Affairs

australia, new zeland, Us, cananda, etc.. are all populated by expats

 

[NotBanjaxo]

australia, new zeland, Us, cananda, etc.. are all populated by exports

"What about Australia, New Zealand, US, Canada etc" - @Poiupoiu

 

[The Pendulum]

australia, new zeland, Us, cananda, etc.. are all populated by exports

Because those have been been sinister takeovers of countries by nations with 4000 years of history, right?

 

[member 1013]

@Poiupoiu will you live in chynah forever?

 

[Poiupoiu]

"What about Australia, New Zealand, US, Canada etc" - @Poiupoiu

the previous poster said china was good as replacement immigration. many current 1st world countries are populated by immigrants

 

[Poiupoiu]

@Poiupoiu will you live in chynah forever?

no. i was planning to retire in about 5 years. covid may have pushed that to 10.

philippines most likely. have to keep updated on visa/immigration issues

 

[The Pendulum]

the previous poster said china was good as replacement immigration. many current 1st world countries are populated by immigrants

That was the argument you chose to make out of my presentation of evidence, yet again, that China has been doing something wrong.

It's not even close to what I said, let alone implied.

 

[Qat]

yes, that was the agreement, but once you own something timeline stuff is bull shit

It's a contract.
Saying it doesn't matter is bullshit.

 

[Poiupoiu]

It's a contract.
Saying it doesn't matter is bullshit.

whats the UK going to do about it? take HK back?

 

[Qat]

whats the UK going to do about it? take HK back?

Probably not, it will stay at sanctions etc.
But earlier you said China has the right to do what it wants in hk. This is not correct.
They are breaching an international contract they signed themselves because they feel they are strong enough now.
It's a bully move.

 

[Poiupoiu]

Probably not, it will stay at sanctions etc.
But earlier you said China has the right to do what it wants in hk. This is not correct.
They are breaching an international contract they signed themselves because they feel they are strong enough now.
It's a bully move.

china declared years ago that the treaty was invalid.
do i agree with that ? no
do i understand chinas position ? yes

the UK fucked up. there are 3 parts of HK. HK island, kowloon, and new territories.

only the new territories lease was expiring. UK should have gave that up and kept kowloon and HK island

 

[Splinty]

The Chinese are good at replacement migration.

Start exporting your people to nearby mainland's, then a couple of hundred years later when those people have started breeding and outgrowing the existing population, start removing their history, replacing it with your own, then claim this other country as always yours, there was just a political dispute.

Wait, what?

"Taiwan continued to be a destination for Chinese migrants for 200 years under the Qing Dynasty, despite the Chinese ban on emigration at that time. Under Japanese rule, internal migration became the driving force in the development of Taiwan, though many Chinese did come to the country in the late 1940s during the time of the Chinese civil war."

Tradition and Progress: Taiwan's Evolving Migration Reality

In a highly selective way, flows of internal migrants within Taiwan have responded quickly to political, economic, and social changes throughout the nation’s history, and have spurred development of the country’s industrial, services, and technological industries. In the past 20 years, however...

www.migrationpolicy.org

United Nations Population Division | Department of Economic and Social Affairs

It's an interesting thought.
In many cases, you see natural migration paths. Those migrants often see their new country as their identity.

Then there are the auotcratic intentional ones.
China and Russia both do this.

Malaysia, as a cross roads of empires and with its own race/ethnic tensions, booted/limited this Chinese development after the 1MDB scandal tilted the votes to a strongly Malaysian and anti-CCP leader:

$100 Billion Chinese-Made City Near Singapore 'Scares the Hell Out of Everybody'

Planeloads of buyers fly in as condos rise from the sea

www.bloomberg.com

Russia has performed so called "annexation by passport" in Georgia and Crimea. OPINION: Annexation by passport
And the same process is occurring in eastern Europe with a constant wave of Russia language radio streamed over the border at the same time.


Again, this all seems quite different than a natural flow of neighbors interacting or enclaves of some nationality setting up small communities organically over time (which tends to lead to a melding with local culture as well).

 

[Qat]

china declared years ago that the treaty was invalid

Then you either renew it or roll it all back.

 

[Poiupoiu]

Then you either renew it or roll it all back.

i understand what youre saying from a western perspective, but in chinas eyes why would they renew or roll back?

they own HK now

 

[The Pendulum]

It's an interesting thought.
In many cases, you see natural migration paths. Those migrants often see their new country as their identity.

Then there are the auotcratic intentional ones.
China and Russia both do this.

Malaysia, as a cross roads of empires and with its own race/ethnic tensions, booted/limited this Chinese development after the 1MDB scandal tilted the votes to a strongly Malaysian and anti-CCP leader:

$100 Billion Chinese-Made City Near Singapore 'Scares the Hell Out of Everybody'

Planeloads of buyers fly in as condos rise from the sea

www.bloomberg.com

Russia has performed so called "annexation by passport" in Georgia and Crimea. OPINION: Annexation by passport
And the same process is occurring in eastern Europe with a constant wave of Russia language radio streamed over the border at the same time.


Again, this all seems quite different than a natural flow of neighbors interacting or enclaves of some nationality setting up small communities organically over time (which tends to lead to a melding with local culture as well).

It's been happening for a long time. And the Chinese are just doing what they've seen other cultures do.

You're well on the money pointing out that natural migration paths lead to people assimilating into the existing culture of their new home. Normally, because it's unobjectively better than what they left.

Then there's internally and externally forced replacement migration.

Then there's the Khazars.

Everyone was wondering what's so special about Ukraine.