Calavaro;n18077 said:
Point of order.
1. It's a privately owned forum and the owner can do precisely whatever he feels like without having to explain himself to anyone. He can ban the posting of cats tomorrow and nothing anyone can do about it.
2. People bitching an moaning about a privately owned forum are completely clueless what it takes to successfully (and profitably) run a forum. (hint: you'll almost always lose money if you do not have a clear business plan. Setting up a forum just because it is free or easy is a surefire way to find a slippery slope).
3. There is a clear example of a forum parting company with the parent forum and setting up that part on it's own URL/server.ownership. That forum turned to complete garbage in 2 seconds flat because it was run by peole who thought everything was free/easy/no consequence... oh boy they were wrong.
4. Once you get famous in any capacity you will be haunted by trolls (and worse) that try to rub you the wrong way. They will nitpick everything you say and rake you over the coals in 2 seconds flat if it suits their mood.... all anonymously of course.
5. Any attempt to clean up will be met with strong resistance, no matter what and specially if the rules of any sort change. Tards will defend their right to suicide at all costs... just to "win".
6. Sorry I wild each it... you'll be one of the targets once the forum hits 10k subs or so... prepare for the worst, but hope for the best.
7. That Kirik didn't sell out during 2007-2009 speaks volumes about his character. He probably turned down a good chunk of pocket change more than once.
Forgive me (all), as I'm posting after reading no further than p. 2 at this point.
That's a quality post, there, Calavaro, not least of all because you're bucking the overall momentum of this thread in a reasonable way.
One point to make: Kirik has a good character overall, meaning he means to do well. Any intelligent person who's been in the game and on the board since pre-TUF years knows this. The reason the forum's gone to shit isn't that his character (his intentions) are corrupt, or that anything about him is intentionally corrupt, but that his judgment's for shit.
I no doubt offended some of you by posting in another thread about how great Crooklyn is. He made her a mod on the heels of her whole dildo vid shenanigans and wars with the "phone bone" crew. This is after she was blue-naming every drama queen shill and shit-quality troll that showed up on the site because she had some kind of in-kind-trade thing going on with Kirik.
That is just retarded, to have made her a mod on the heels of all that.
That's not an error of intention, it's an error of judgment.
It's depressing to thing about how obvious it is that this is basically what's wrong with the site, and why it's overrun by idiots now, and mods who lack the discernment to "govern" in an insightful way.
Good intentions, without clear judgment, are really not worth much.
Kirik has good, noble intentions, he's just not a particularly smart or insightful guy, running a site more according to what serves him in his mind, than according to a larger vision, and adapting his own impressions of people, users, mods, and reality according to that need, seemingly without really being aware of it himself.
The site is thriving. It's just a piece of shit, unfortunately, since given its traffic it could have been something more like what it was in the old days (pre-TUF).