Society Expert on concentration camps says U.S. has them

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    maybe a book will be written about it: Farewell to Martinez
     
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    Legal Immigration The Only way For Martinez To Come In Now That The wall Is Up

    Hopefully Martinez is educated, add's value in a needed field and pay taxes. I would be the first to welcome him.
     
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    good post. Indeed, big difference between 'concentration camp' and 'immigration processing center'. Neither pleasant, but big difference.

    I'm seeing Trumpophobes all over social media smearing the term 'concentration camp' everywhere.
     
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    It's the same problem when the left calls everyone Hitler, NAZI, racist. It loses it's meaning after a while. When I see someone called any or them I just roll my eyes as I don't take the accuser seriously. Something as simple as wanting legal immigration only they paint you as a racist. Those words have lost their meaning on me.
     
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    Other question is how different were immigration processing centers before Trump? Were they so different?

    Did Obama and Bush and Clinton bring toys and cookies and toothpaste kits to all the children whose parents got caught illegally crossing the border?
     
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    they are playing semantics games . yes technically people are being "concentrated" in one area but when the term concentration camp is used people immediately think of death camps and nazis. they used the term purposely for shock value and to cast as bad of a light possible on the trump administration. now they want to be obtuse about it .typical far left bullshit. kind of like they want to paint everyone on the right as literally hitler but play dumb to the fact that they are advocating socialism that has killed way more people than the nazis(who happened to be fuckin socialists too) ever did
     
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    Literally gassing people with Zyclone B

    And, its not to control typhus
     
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    Shaved heads, mass graves, piles of emaciated bodies.

    The MSM just doesn't show you photos because we are all too traumatized already because Trump and the Nazi Russians.
     
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    Notice her smile when she states "kids to be caged" very odd.
     
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    i wonder how they treat illegal immigrants in her home country of somalia. is it better or worse than trumps concentration camps?
     
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    Somalia is a stunningly beautiful country....that being said I don’t think anyone is sneaking in hahah.
     
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    Posting the entire editorial bc it's a local newspaper whose site isn't available outside the U.S.

    No classes. No recess. No privacy. Migrant children in Homestead treated worse than prisoners | Editorial

    No matter how you feel about immigration, can we all agree that migrant children seeking asylum should not be kept in prison-like conditions wondering when they might get out?

    That’s what’s happening in Miami-Dade County at the Homestead Temporary Shelter, where thousands of kids, almost all from Central America, are being detained without access to education, recreation or a lawyer.

    What’s happening at Homestead — the nation’s largest detention center for unaccompanied minors — is cruel and inhumane. It violates a 1997 federal court order that limits detention to 20 days. It violates our values as Americans.

    This so-called shelter should be shuttered and the children either united with family members or placed in licensed community-based programs and homes.

    Our nation faces a humanitarian crisis at our southern border, we grant you that. But the answer is not to create a crisis of inhumanity in our community.

    Consider recent headlines:

    • Two weeks ago, because of costs, the administration stopped offering classes, recess and legal aid to the 2,000 to 3,000 children at Homestead. What will their lives be like? “They will be in their rooms,” said Mark Weber, spokesman for the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), which oversees the Office of Refugee Resettlement.
    First off, these kids don’t have rooms. Many reside in 144-bunk tents. And second, even prisoners are allowed outside for an hour a day.
    • Three weeks ago, U.S. Rep. Debbie Mucarsel-Powell asked to see the shelter’s hurricane evacuation plan. She said she was told “they were working on getting one ready.” Remember, Homestead was leveled by Hurricane Andrew.
    On Wednesday, Mucarsel-Powell said she’d been told the camp now has a plan, but no one can see it. Even Miami-Dade emergency managers are being kept in the dark. “They’re playing games,” she told the Miami Herald.

    The secrecy is unacceptable. South Florida pulls together during hurricanes. Sometimes back-up plans are needed. If the plan is to call the county for help sheltering a couple thousand kids, say so now.

    • In April, when South Florida congressional members tried to inspect the facility, they were told they had to give two weeks notice. Two weeks notice?! How much time is needed to clean the place up?
    • Also in April, the Herald reported that John Kelly, President Trump’s former chief of staff and the architect of the family-separation policy, now serves on the board of the company given a $341 million, no-bid contract to run the Homestead center. What a coincidence.
    The company charges $775 per day per child. Advocates say the government could save at least half that amount by placing the children in licensed community facilities. What explains the government’s resistance?

    Thankfully, human rights attorneys have gone to federal court in California to get the kids moved into shelters licensed and inspected by the state, or placed with U.S. relatives pending their asylum applications.

    Last month they reported that more than 1,100 children have been detained between 31-90 days — a clear violation of the “20-day rule” created by the Flores settlement, a 1997 agreement rooted in a Supreme Court case about holding migrant children in custody.

    In all, more than 10,000 kids have been processed through Homestead since it opened in March 2018.

    After enduring tortured journeys in search of a better life, they are enduring prison-like conditions that experts say will leave scars.

    According to their attorneys, the kids say they are:
    • under constant video surveillance. A large number of security guards patrol outside. The fence includes barbed wire.
    • given five minutes to shower and 15 minutes to eat.
    • not allowed go to the bathroom without being accompanied by a youth counselor.
    • allowed no more than two 10-minute telephone calls a week.
    • not allowed to hug each other. Said one child: “Sometimes when your friend is crying because they can’t stand being here any longer, you want to be able to give them a hug. But you can’t because it’s against the rules.”
    One child couldn’t even call his mother on his birthday because he had used up his allotment of telephone calls, the lawsuit says.

    One teenage girl from Guatemala was so despondent that she began cutting herself, the lawsuit says.

    The News Service of Florida reported on Thursday that state officials had been told of a seventh report of child abuse at the facility. Two cases involved caregivers, one was linked to a staff member and another to a legal guardian of a minor, according to the Tallahassee-based media outlet.

    The shelter’s coordinator, Bernadine Leslie Wood, said the kids had told her they felt like they are at a “slumber party,” according to the lawsuit. That would be laughable if the situation weren’t so serious.

    It’s immoral to treat these children as if they were criminals when, in fact, illegal entry into the U.S. is a misdemeanor.

    We applaud Mucarsel-Powell and her colleagues, Reps. Debbie Wasserman Schultz and Donna Shalala for keeping their sights trained on the center and demanding answers.

    What makes the Homestead shelter such an ugly and painful issue for Floridians is that one in five of us — more than 4.3 million people — are immigrants.

    The Trump administration should be able to review the asylum requests of children without treating them like convicts.
     
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    Stay in your own shithole please. If you do break the law fuck you for complaining about the conditions and our enablers who promote and invite illegal activity.
     
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    Maybe we should keep them from entering illegally in the first place.
     
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