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Priziesthorse

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Orthodox New Jersey Jews.

Priziesthorse @Priziesthorse I'm gonna assume your coke habit/occasional engagement in homosexual acts means you're not Orthodox, but you might want to get yourself checked out...
I never got the 3rd Hepatitis B shot cuz I had a bad reaction to the 2nd one. All 3 were required to attend the university I went to. It just so happened that a nice tv fell off the back of a truck and I decided to give it to my doctor as a gift. Bada bing bada boom. He lied on my vaccination record.
 

Jesus X

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Well they probably shouldnt be letting people from the third world in without getting their shots.whats next a smallpox outbreak or leprosy starts to make a come back.this shit has to start somewhere
lol at the immigrant blame
people in Mexico are actually pretty well vaccinated they are even vaccinated against smallpox from cows iirc which is why they have a dent in their bicep most of these no vaccine shenanigans come from american soccer moms.


Smallpox Vaccine Scar: Why It Happens

 

Never_Rolled

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There was a medical talk and one of the docs asked the presenter where this is most prevalent. The presenter serious BTW answered within a certain number of blocks to Whole Foods was how they measured it.
 

sparkuri

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Hi, that's me. I get no kickbacks. I lose money on some vaccines.
At the systemic level vaccines are economically bad if the goal is maximal profit, as they draw money out of the system.
No, it's not you.
You are a foot soldier delivering needed vaccines.
You have no part of what I'm referring to.
 

Splinty

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lol at the immigrant blame
people in Mexico are actually pretty well vaccinated they are even vaccinated against smallpox from cows iirc which is why they have a dent in their bicep most of these no vaccine shenanigans come from american soccer moms.


Smallpox Vaccine Scar: Why It Happens


In fairness, while I agree, Europe's outbreaks are often due to immigrant populations that have come from unvaccinated areas and cultures that eschew vaccines.
But they also are undergoing a lot of domestic anti vaccination moves. So it's hardly just them.


Although much of the European measles resurgence was caused by anti-vaccination sentiments, a smaller portion was likely the result of unvaccinated migrants. A 2015 study found that across 13 European nations, migrants accounted for about 7 percent of measles cases.

Here are the total reported measles cases in Europe for 2017.

  • Romania - 5,562 cases
  • Italy - 5,006 cases
  • Ukraine - 4,767 cases
  • Greece - 967 cases
  • Germany - 927 cases
  • Serbia - 702 cases
  • Tajikistan - 649 cases
  • France - 520
  • Russian Federation - 408
  • Belgium - 369
  • UK - 282
  • Bulgaria - 167
  • Spain - 152
  • Czech Republic - 146
  • Switzerland - 105
Globally, measles is considerably more prevalent in less developed regions. In 2017, the World Health Organization reported a total of 115,117 measles cases worldwide. The vast majority came from the Southeast Asia region, where about 4.8 million children go unvaccinated each year.



A quick Google shows there's five hundred million people in the EU and 22 million of them are migrants.
22/500= ~4%

But the make up twice as many cases per capita. It's a problem.
Still, the raw number of anti-vaxxers is likely to break herd immunity faster.
 

Lamont Cranston

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Vaccines play an important part of your health.

I firmly believe that they are something we should all be getting.
 
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Vaccines play an important part of your health.

I firmly believe that they are something we should all be getting.
the problem is that so many of the 'anti-vax' crowd has made 'anti-vax' a statement of self.
so it's a religion to them, and an article of faith is that vaccines do more harm than good.

Repackaging it as "Pro-Choice" is misdirection. If you want vaccinations to be a matter of choice, then by Right of Free Association society can exclude such people from communal interaction.

You don't want to vaccinate? no access to public spaces, like schools.

otherwise, I'm not "Pro-Drunk Driving", I'm "Pro-Choice".
I'm not "Pro-Rape", I'm "Pro-Choice".
etc
 

Lars

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It's people who are trying to do their very best for their children, but are surrounded by a lot of misinformation.

If your child is afflicted with an illness or you see photos of people with illness or maybe a friends kid, that's a very powerful motivator.
You don't see measles and all of the things that are far off at the moment. That is a difficult concept for any of us to hold onto. Something tangible in your face versus the intangible possibility. They don't have the time, energy, or sometimes even education to review the journals and the data that is often taken out of context by anti-vaccine groups.

Vaccines are still incredibly safe and autism isn't there. But the parents aren't just retarded. They are misinformed but trying to do right.
That’s exactly what a big Pharma vaccine peddler would say
 
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Splinty

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i'm a bleeding-heart libertarian, so I'm pretty much Pro-Choice on everything.
God Bless the Free Market of Ideas.

Would the free market have undone Jim Crow when the black populace didn't have the capital to be an effective customer force, and those with capital typically boycotting private enterprise that refused to enact discriminatory policies?
 

ConorMcGregorsBeard

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Did it? Explain that to me. It seemed a series of government interventions did that to me, never getting a chance to test the free market theory.
Jim Crow laws were a creation of the government, not the free market. Governments decided many years ago the peasants can't be trusted with the free market.