Henderson has 'no respect' for Machida

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Dan Henderson is furious that his UFC on FOX 19 fight vs. Lyoto Machida is now cancelled, after Machida admitted to taking a banned substance during an out-of-competition drug test.

This Saturday's rematch between Lyoto Machida and Dan Henderson was supposed to serve as the UFC on FOX 19 co-main event, but that is longer the case. In a major announcement made on Wednesday, the UFC revealed that Machida admitted to using an undisclosed banned substance during a recent out-of-competition drug test. Machida claims he didn't know that the substance was banned both in and out-of-competition, and while the results of his test aren't yet available, the admittance itself is enough to remove him from his rematch with Hendo.

With the fight cancelled and Henderson pulled from the card…


Henderson has 'no respect' for Machida following admission of banned substance use

 

[BaneBreaksBacks]

Tough one. I love them both.

 

[FadeToBlack]

Hendo has every right to be pissed, he's over 40 years old and just did another training camp for a nationally televised show, and was told 4 days before the fight that he isn't fighting and to go fuck himself in the meantime (I embellished the last part). This sucks for us the fans, but even worse for Hendo.

 

[BlackDana]

Hendo has every right to be pissed, he's over 40 years old and just did another training camp for a nationally televised show, and was told 4 days before the fight that he isn't fighting and to go fuck himself in the meantime (I embellished the last part). This sucks for us the fans, but even worse for Hendo.

Hendo is just lucky he didn't get busted too

 

[PeteyParker]

will wait till everything is out, to make full judgement. I do get how he feel though.

 

[Yossarian]

Hendo should've kept his mouth shut. Not all the details are out and it seems Machida came out and explained without any outlandish copouts.

Big fan of Hendo, but as someone who was part of the TRT-club, he should not judge others. It is the TRT-club that has been proven to take libetries with their exemptions and even after have been caught due to their continuing need for the stuff. Once you are on it, you can't go without it, so I am wondering if Mr. Henderson will be next.

 

[delightone]

After this bit, i really wanna know what it is, duiretics, painkillers, or full blown PED

 

[FadeToBlack]

Hendo should've kept his mouth shut. Not all the details are out and it seems Machida came out and explained without any outlandish copouts.

Big fan of Hendo, but as someone who was part of the TRT-club, he should not judge others. It is the TRT-club that has been proven to take libetries with their exemptions and even after have been caught due to their continuing need for the stuff. Once you are on it, you can't go without it, so I am wondering if Mr. Henderson will be next.

Actually, you can come off TRT and not need TRT afterwards, that's a myth, I say this from personal anecdotal evidence. And Hendo did keep his mouth shut (literally), it was just a tweet. It's not like he held a presser in front of microphones and a camera, this was probably an instant reaction after just receiving the news that his fight this weekend wasn't gonna happen, even after pushing his 40 year old ass through another camp.

 

[Yossarian]

Actually, you can come off TRT and not need TRT afterwards, that's a myth, I say this from personal anecdotal evidence. And Hendo did keep his mouth shut (literally), it was just a tweet. It's not like he held a presser in front of microphones and a camera, this was probably an instant reaction after just receiving the news that his fight this weekend wasn't gonna happen, even after pushing his 40 year old ass through another camp.

He called Machida a piece of shit on Facebook. And while some may escape TRT all together, a professional fighter may find it much harder to go back naturally, especially after 40. I do realize that the sudden cancelation is frustrating and hinders one of the last fights he may agree on. Actually a Henderson fan here, but again, witing for more information before releasing such statements will serve him better. I think that the TRT guys have no room for talk though.

 

[Jonny Quest]

Ruined the fucking card.

 

[Sheepdog]

Hendo has every right to be pissed, he's over 40 years old and just did another training camp for a nationally televised show, and was told 4 days before the fight that he isn't fighting and to go fuck himself in the meantime (I embellished the last part). This sucks for us the fans, but even worse for Hendo.

Yah, former champion of a non-PED testing promotion, still fighting at 45, TRTendo is surely a saint when it comes to PEDs.

It's spin the USADA wheel and Machida's number came up, that's just how it goes. People living in gigantic glass houses shouldn't be throwing stones. It's one thing to try and pull the wool over the eyes of the paying morons who still haven't figured this out (and my god, how the fuck haven;t you people figured this out yet?), but it's not right to go after people for gaining chemical advantages when you do the same thing.

 

[Sheepdog]

Ruined the fucking card.

If you saw the first fight and have watched both of their recent performances, I'd be surprised if anybody could say this with a straight face. It was an awful fight for many reasons and I'm glad that it is cancelled.

 

[Papi Chingon]

He called Machida a piece of shit on Facebook. And while some may escape TRT all together, a professional fighter may find it much harder to go back naturally, especially after 40. I do realize that the sudden cancelation is frustrating and hinders one of the last fights he may agree on. Actually a Henderson fan here, but again, witing for more information before releasing such statements will serve him better. I think that the TRT guys have no room for talk though.

Dan being a bit rough on Machida for DHEA. Why the fuck is that on the PED list anyway? Lol

 

[KWingJitsu]

Says the guy whose been abusing TRT more than half his career.... & wouldn't have gotten anywhere without it...

 

[Disciplined Galt]

The

Says the guy whose been abusing TRT more than half his career.... & wouldn't have gotten anywhere without it...

H bomb didn't come out of nowhere.

 

[Robbie Hart]

You shouldn't call another fighter a piece of shit..........just my opinion and I even feel that way about anyone unless they tried to hurt you or your family.......bad look for henderton

 

[madmav]

can't blame hendo for being pissed.. 4 days before the fight.. regardless of the trt days.. tell me none of you would be a bit pissed at losing a payday..

 

[Robbie Hart]

can't blame hendo for being pissed.. 4 days before the fight.. regardless of the trt days.. tell me none of you would be a bit pissed at losing a payday..

Agree, but calling someone a pos is a bad look..........

 

[ChaosOverkill]

The amount of disinformation going around on this one is astounding.

First, I'm a test hard or don't test at all proponent and one of the two is never going to happen so once you have a policy, do your job and up your personal or managerial vigilance, this isn't a Rookie fighter who can't afford someone to check, this is Machida.

There's DHEA and there's 7-KETO DHEA, Machida listed something with 7-KETO-DHEA in it and it flagged the USADA process.

It's been banned since at least 2012, DHEA a decade before that. So Machida's assertion that it has been "Recently Banned" is kind of absurd and operates on the premise he has never looked at that list or anyone around him to make sure his health conscious consumption conforms.

Whether or not it should be on the banned list used by USADA, is irrelevant, it's there for whatever reason flawed or not, they found a reason, however debatable its inclusion is, it is there. WADA/USADA put substances on monitoring lists every year and they either leave them there, take them off and let them go or ban them at the end of the year. I don't get how any pro athlete, especially when their new testing regiment was so publicized, hasn't been made aware of this, and even then IT WAS BANNED IN 2012 AT THE LATEST. Sharapova can also protest all she likes, someone fucked up or she flaunted the testing playing chicken with it, I don't get how multi-million dollar athletes two decades into testing overall, can claim incompetence and ignorance. You're playing Russian Roulette, pun not intended, with your career.

Again, I'll say it, I don't care what they take, but they've committed to testing, the point is moot, but I'm also less interested in the Swiss Cheese situation they had before with gaps and non-testing jurisdictions.

I'm just trying to put some facts out after doing some research and discussing out there.

 

[Yossarian]

Dan being a bit rough on Machida for DHEA. Why the fuck is that on the PED list anyway? Lol

Exactly. Fighters should come together on these issues rather than seperate themselves while trying to walk away with the image of a boyscout. The UFC already has this divide and conquer model going without the USADA crackdown.

 

[ChaosOverkill]

Exactly. Fighters should come together on these issues rather than seperate themselves while trying to walk away with the image of a boyscout. The UFC already has this divide and conquer model going without the USADA crackdown.

DHEA and 7-KETO DHEA, have been catching cyclists and track athletes for over a decade for the first and since 2012 for the second, so... other sports athletes may have had the same objection to those being included among others, but they weren't any more likely to change a WADA list than fighters will be, they are Johnny come latelys to the WADA system.

From what I read on monitoring lists they have each year, certain things can be campaigned to be removed from the list and monitoring lists such as this one:

Major Changes - 2016 Prohibited List | USADA

But they are behind the 8-ball on the ones here in question and I think a sport with a mounting list of failures, each guy robbed of a fight just sees the other guy as "Dumb enough to get caught with whatever flavour he was into"

 

[ChaosOverkill]

SO I don't think WHAT the failure for matters to them anymore and even if weed was cancelling fights they'd rail on a fighter for that too.

I think they just all see each other as playing the game and if they cost each other money, the particular substance doesn't matter in the end.

As anti-doping as certain guys seem to claim, they will always fall short of ratting on guys they know factually have doped. So they do keep the fraternity but in a very ironic way to the way they speak on this topic.

 

[ChaosOverkill]

@ErikMagraken may need to settle whether declaring before the test will have any effect on his punishment or is the same asif he just hid it and failed the OOC

 

[Ted Williams' head]

I love Hendo, but it's a bit hypocritical of him given his history.

Both guys should be allowed to use whatever they want. Dan's 45, Lyoto's 37, they need something extra to compete.

 

[ErikMagraken]

@ErikMagraken may need to settle whether declaring before the test will have any effect on his punishment or is the same asif he just hid it and failed the OOC

Cro-Cop ratted himself out, probably out of fear that the test would be positive, when it probably to his surprise came back negative and he was still handed 2 years by USADA.

The UFC's press release notes as following re: Machida "his disclosure of usage will be taken into consideration by USADA during any potential results management and adjudication process."

The Anti-Doping policy calls for a 2 year ban for positive tests for substances banned out of competition.

Section 10.6.2 of the policy gives USADA discretion to reduce this two year ban to no less than one year where "athlete voluntarily admits the commission of an anti doping policy violation before having received notice of a Sample collection which could establish an Anti-Doping Policy Violation...and that admission is the only reliable evidence of the violation at the time of admission."