How long until we see a broken neck/paralysis in MMA from a slam?

Discussion in 'Cageside - MMA Discussion' started by MovinOn, May 12, 2019.

  1. MovinOn

    MovinOn Canis lupus familiaris

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2018
    Messages:
    1,690
    Ratings:
    +5,939
    Two recent incidents, two occasions where tragedy was narrowly avoided. Both of these maneuvers are perfectly legal under the existing rules. Are you comfortable with those regulations? Would you still be okay with things if Thug Rose or Ben Askren were in a wheelchair today?

    Yes, MMA is chock full of potentially devastating strikes and holds. But the UFC and Bellator don't allow soccer kicks. I think that's wise. TIme for slams to be re-examined, IMO.




     
    #1 MovinOn, May 12, 2019
    Last edited: May 12, 2019
    • Like Like x 3
  2. ConorMcGregorsBeard

    ConorMcGregorsBeard The Face That Runs the Place

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2015
    Messages:
    24,632
    Ratings:
    +25,629
    Yes.

    In both cases (Askren's more so) the fighters in question could have avoided the situation entirely by not stubbornly maintaining a hold for a technique that was never going to be there. What you're asking is the equivalent of a series of guys being violently KO'ed by headkick for leaving their hands down and then asking if headkicks should be banned because people are getting seriously hurt.
     
    • Agree Agree x 3
    • Winner Winner x 1
  3. Ricky Bobby

    Ricky Bobby I apparently look like a Jewish accountant

    Joined:
    Feb 13, 2015
    Messages:
    37,088
    Ratings:
    +47,028
    I hate those slams
    They scare the fizuck out of me
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
  4. MMAPlaywright

    MMAPlaywright First 100
    First 100

    Joined:
    Jan 18, 2015
    Messages:
    865
    Ratings:
    +1,828
    [​IMG]
     
    • Winner Winner x 3
    • Agree Agree x 2
  5. MovinOn

    MovinOn Canis lupus familiaris

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2018
    Messages:
    1,690
    Ratings:
    +5,939

    Well, how many more veteran/experienced fighters will also maintain a hold that imperils their long-term health because they are too competitive for their own good? What are you going to do, have the referee yell out to them on the way down, "Let go of your grip, dummy! You're risking serious injury."

    [​IMG]
     
  6. ConorMcGregorsBeard

    ConorMcGregorsBeard The Face That Runs the Place

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2015
    Messages:
    24,632
    Ratings:
    +25,629
    You're kind of answering your own question. Most of them regardless of circumstances. If you take away slams because they're "too dangerous" they'll find another way to hurt themselves. At the same time you'll get guys putting themselves into positions to be slammed because getting an opponent DQ'ed will garner a win.

    You're also kind of forgetting that dumping someone onto the top of their head is already against the rules.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • Winner Winner x 1
  7. Hugh Manatee

    Hugh Manatee Vigorously working member
    First 100

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2015
    Messages:
    5,676
    Ratings:
    +7,158
    Spiking was supposed to be illegal back when they got the rules approved. Still is, as far as I know.
     
  8. MovinOn

    MovinOn Canis lupus familiaris

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2018
    Messages:
    1,690
    Ratings:
    +5,939
    But what you're seeing in those two videos in my OP are not considered "spiking." They are legal techniques currently.


     
    • Informative Informative x 1
  9. Hugh Manatee

    Hugh Manatee Vigorously working member
    First 100

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2015
    Messages:
    5,676
    Ratings:
    +7,158
    Not a text book spike then. Interestingly the the girl who did it was calling it a spike herself last night ;)
     
  10. Onetrickpony

    Onetrickpony The seal of approval

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2016
    Messages:
    11,817
    Ratings:
    +28,327
    [​IMG]
     
    • Winner Winner x 3
    • Like Like x 1
    • Agree Agree x 1
  11. Filthy

    Filthy Too dumb to win, too tough to Ignore

    Joined:
    Jun 28, 2016
    Messages:
    7,174
    Ratings:
    +11,252
    only the piledriver is illegal. If the opponent can release a hold to avoid the slam, the slam is legal.

    as it should be.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  12. Filthy

    Filthy Too dumb to win, too tough to Ignore

    Joined:
    Jun 28, 2016
    Messages:
    7,174
    Ratings:
    +11,252
    also, a neck injury is far more likely from getting a 'DDT' out of a front headlock. Several guys have been paralyzed or had serious neck injuries from trying to single leg out of a guillotine, haven't seen the same injury rate for a slam. Necks break when they get tilted and turned at the same time, so while high-amplitude slams look devastating, they're usually within the normal range of motion for a neck.

    If a Twister is legal, where you can snatch it and cause serious injury before there's a chance to tap, I don't know why slams should be more regulated.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  13. Hugh Manatee

    Hugh Manatee Vigorously working member
    First 100

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2015
    Messages:
    5,676
    Ratings:
    +7,158
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • Winner Winner x 1
    • Informative Informative x 1
  14. Hugh Manatee

    Hugh Manatee Vigorously working member
    First 100

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2015
    Messages:
    5,676
    Ratings:
    +7,158
    It's also interesting that back when they first got the unified rules Approved they weren't really supposed to try to cut their opponents with the blade of the elbow; it was supposed to be a fore arm strike, not an elbow. You can hear this in the ringside commentary around UFC 30-35....
     
    #14 Hugh Manatee, May 13, 2019
    Last edited: May 15, 2019
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • Informative Informative x 1
  15. Masato Toys

    Masato Toys Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2015
    Messages:
    1,748
    Ratings:
    +3,472
    I'm just here for the slams

    [​IMG]
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • Winner Winner x 1
  16. DER HÖRNCHENMEISTER

    DER HÖRNCHENMEISTER Active Member

    Joined:
    Dec 16, 2015
    Messages:
    548
    Ratings:
    +949
    [​IMG]
     
    • Like Like x 2
    • Funny Funny x 1
  17. Suicidalforlife

    Joined:
    Jan 30, 2015
    Messages:
    622
    Ratings:
    +527
    Great slam but he knocks Arona out with his 50lb head.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  18. ConorMcGregorsBeard

    ConorMcGregorsBeard The Face That Runs the Place

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2015
    Messages:
    24,632
    Ratings:
    +25,629
    or neck cranks where the end objective is to, you know, break the neck.
     
    • Winner Winner x 1
  19. Nigel

    Nigel Jumbo shrimp

    Joined:
    Apr 18, 2015
    Messages:
    8,553
    Ratings:
    +17,233
    Brian Cimmins had a single tear roll down his cheek after seeing that happen to Rose.
     
  20. lordofthepies

    lordofthepies Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2015
    Messages:
    3,569
    Ratings:
    +6,701
    It is cagefighting. We should ban the entire sport if we are worried about safety.

    Slams are part of the game and are already officiated appropriately. You can stop the truly dangerous deliberate piledrivers, but getting rid of other slams causes too many problems.
     
Draft saved Draft deleted