How long until we see a broken neck/paralysis in MMA from a slam?

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  1. MovinOn

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    Two recent incidents, two occasions where tragedy was narrowly avoided. Both of these maneuvers are perfectly legal under the existing rules. Are you comfortable with those regulations? Would you still be okay with things if Thug Rose or Ben Askren were in a wheelchair today?

    Yes, MMA is chock full of potentially devastating strikes and holds. But the UFC and Bellator don't allow soccer kicks. I think that's wise. TIme for slams to be re-examined, IMO.




     
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  2. JonJonesBeard

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    Yes.

    In both cases (Askren's more so) the fighters in question could have avoided the situation entirely by not stubbornly maintaining a hold for a technique that was never going to be there. What you're asking is the equivalent of a series of guys being violently KO'ed by headkick for leaving their hands down and then asking if headkicks should be banned because people are getting seriously hurt.
     
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  3. Ricky Bobby

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    I hate those slams
    They scare the fizuck out of me
     
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  5. MovinOn

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    Well, how many more veteran/experienced fighters will also maintain a hold that imperils their long-term health because they are too competitive for their own good? What are you going to do, have the referee yell out to them on the way down, "Let go of your grip, dummy! You're risking serious injury."

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  6. JonJonesBeard

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    You're kind of answering your own question. Most of them regardless of circumstances. If you take away slams because they're "too dangerous" they'll find another way to hurt themselves. At the same time you'll get guys putting themselves into positions to be slammed because getting an opponent DQ'ed will garner a win.

    You're also kind of forgetting that dumping someone onto the top of their head is already against the rules.
     
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  7. Megaterio Llamas

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    Spiking was supposed to be illegal back when they got the rules approved. Still is, as far as I know.
     
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    But what you're seeing in those two videos in my OP are not considered "spiking." They are legal techniques currently.


     
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    Not a text book spike then. Interestingly the the girl who did it was calling it a spike herself last night ;)
     
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    only the piledriver is illegal. If the opponent can release a hold to avoid the slam, the slam is legal.

    as it should be.
     
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    also, a neck injury is far more likely from getting a 'DDT' out of a front headlock. Several guys have been paralyzed or had serious neck injuries from trying to single leg out of a guillotine, haven't seen the same injury rate for a slam. Necks break when they get tilted and turned at the same time, so while high-amplitude slams look devastating, they're usually within the normal range of motion for a neck.

    If a Twister is legal, where you can snatch it and cause serious injury before there's a chance to tap, I don't know why slams should be more regulated.
     
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    It's also interesting that back when they first got the unified rules Approved they weren't really supposed to try to cut their opponents with the blade of the elbow; it was supposed to be a fore arm strike, not an elbow. You can hear this in the ringside commentary around UFC 30-35....
     
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    I'm just here for the slams

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    Great slam but he knocks Arona out with his 50lb head.
     
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  18. JonJonesBeard

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    or neck cranks where the end objective is to, you know, break the neck.
     
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    Brian Cimmins had a single tear roll down his cheek after seeing that happen to Rose.
     
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    It is cagefighting. We should ban the entire sport if we are worried about safety.

    Slams are part of the game and are already officiated appropriately. You can stop the truly dangerous deliberate piledrivers, but getting rid of other slams causes too many problems.
     
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