Period. I don't care. Majority are doing it and it truly doesn't matter.. most of the people who are against them havent competed in anything in their entire lives but are saying what can or cannot be done.
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Bingo.
None of the people morally opposed would boycott a new competitive Pride-ish promotion in Japan if they got some serious names.
Inconsistent testing and suspicion/view on use (Like Nick Diaz for instance, which is his right but if they never clean the sport up he kept clean for nothing) is worse than full on use of PED.
It either has to be fully independent and comprehensive across the board or it's worse than nothing.
Period, but the nanny state cares and makes money off of testing for it now, so the horse is out of the barn here if they want to use venues under commission rule.
Inconsistent testing and suspicion/view on use (Like Nick Diaz for instance, which is his right but if they never clean the sport up he kept clean for nothing) is worse than full on use of PED.
It either has to be fully independent and comprehensive across the board or it's worse than nothing.
Period, but the nanny state cares and makes money off of testing for it now, so the horse is out of the barn here if they want to use venues under commission rule.
I there with you Ryan. Its just the boogieman of athletics that has a horrible stigma due to a weak effort to educate the masses IMO. I have had this opinion since a teen then the Bigger, stronger, faster documentary really confirmed my beliefs. Anything a person does in excess will lead to trouble, if you can get good guidance through a trusted source and use wisely I see no harm.
Same, the whole PED deal got brought up in the 185 fight night discussion. They'll never do more extensive testing because they don't want the majority of the field on suspension and it's cost prohibitive. Every professional sport has plenty of athletes using PEDs of some sort at some point, it's part of pro sports. The outrage that has happened is usually media driven feeding into this idiotic need we Americans have for ripping people down off of the ridiculous pedestals we put them on in the first place because it makes us feel good to watch them fall and then to kick dirt in their faces. I mean, really, that's sure what it seems like.
In my opinion, if the UFC was going to do something game changing and forward thinking...how about actually managing the practice, overseeing the use, full transparency. Fighters will know who is using what and be able to choose if they want to still go forward well in advance. Put all the cards on the table. What they are doing now is risky, not to the UFC but to the fighters who go in there risking their health and safety. Yes, they choose to, but they should at least be able to base that choice off of full understanding of what they are getting themselves into.
All that said, I have MUCH more appreciation for natural athletes, the few that still exist.
In my opinion, if the UFC was going to do something game changing and forward thinking...how about actually managing the practice, overseeing the use, full transparency. Fighters will know who is using what and be able to choose if they want to still go forward well in advance. Put all the cards on the table. What they are doing now is risky, not to the UFC but to the fighters who go in there risking their health and safety. Yes, they choose to, but they should at least be able to base that choice off of full understanding of what they are getting themselves into.
All that said, I have MUCH more appreciation for natural athletes, the few that still exist.
Great post, Coconut. Like this here
"The outrage that has happened is usually media driven feeding into this idiotic need we Americans have for ripping people down off of the ridiculous pedestals we put them on in the first place because it makes us feel good to watch them fall and then to kick dirt in their faces."
Very true. Not so much here in the land of sorry and thank yous but you're right.
It has to be a level playing field so skill decides the winner. I care about the winner of the fight being the More masterful fighter.
I don't care if it's with or without. Gotta be fair though
I don't care if it's with or without. Gotta be fair though
Did you not use because it is against the rules or more so a moral issue? I've never competed at any sports at a high level but its seems to be the way to go whether its amatuer mma or the Olympics.
I've got a problem with them for moral reasons.
But it is IMPOSSIBLE to be rid of them.
The payout is too big for pro athletes.
It's a case where crime pays.
If users went to prison that's one thing.
But a temporary suspension isn't going to dissuade anyone.
So, I choose to invest 0 fucks in this "war on drugs".
If entities wanted to rid the sport they would.
It's a given, I trust very few, it is what it is.
I will enjoy mma as I always have.
But it is IMPOSSIBLE to be rid of them.
The payout is too big for pro athletes.
It's a case where crime pays.
If users went to prison that's one thing.
But a temporary suspension isn't going to dissuade anyone.
So, I choose to invest 0 fucks in this "war on drugs".
If entities wanted to rid the sport they would.
It's a given, I trust very few, it is what it is.
I will enjoy mma as I always have.
It was a dilemma. In college wrestling, I never came across PEDs. Not once. So not using PEDs was really easy and I didn't feel like I was at a disadvantage.
In MMA, I knew the majority of guys were using. However, because it was against the rules, I was unwilling to take them and put the rule followers at a disadvantage. So I guess ethics seems to have been my reason. I will say I have worked closely with absolute top-level guys who I know are not using.
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PEDS is about the health of the Atlete not about fair play.
Fighters should think about the long term health damage.
Fighters should think about the long term health damage.
You'd think showing NFL players their elders drooling and unable to remember in what city they live and the Junior Seau details, as well as all the facts on concussions, CET, dementia etc, would wake them up too.
One seems to have in that player from San Francisco that retired very early into his career yesterday but... none of the rest really have, even the ones earning half a mil a season or 325 000 give or take as a rookie base.
The "Cubicles are worse than death" philosophy is part of it, the thrill is too, so... health hazards are gonna have to be much more tangible and scary to affect athletes yet still.
In principle, I agree with you, but if you can't draw a "If you do these, you will die and here's the direct evidence and consistent epidemic" they are going to play it up the same as gambling on a roulette table, just with vague potential health problems instead of losing all your money. The competitive purpose and thrill that can rise if you do PED's is part of the rush going on, that and keeping up with all the other guys who they know do it and has kicked off a giant boulder rolling down a mountain going back to the start of the sport and before with others.
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Or they decided not to compete as they did not want to face cheaters or take PED's themselves.
I care.
I've said this before but legalizing PEDS wont create an even playing field. The people with the most money will get the best ones.
Not to mention how do you even promote using drugs that have long term medical implications to kids?
I've said this before but legalizing PEDS wont create an even playing field. The people with the most money will get the best ones.
Not to mention how do you even promote using drugs that have long term medical implications to kids?
There isnt gonna be a legal use of PEDs i can assure you that. The long term effects are gonna keep fighters from not using. You would have some one and some off, would it be fair to have a Champ that is on PEDs and say a challenger not be on them? And if that was to happen would the challenger be forced to use them? if he didnt and lost the storylines would be unfair fight. Legal PEDs isnt gonna happen just as the rousey/Cyborg fight will never happen. What needs to happen is those fighters who have to use PEDs need to think if they are truly as great as the syringe they use to inject. I am sure that the viewer base would drop if known PEDs were involve and can you imagine the legal ramifications or the policy rewrites to allow PEDs... LOL not gonna happen.
Can't agree with using PEDs. I take it as a moral issue. If it is against the rules, then it's cheating, imo. Yes I"ve competed in things, and I"ve competed clean. If someone on juice finished before me, then that's on them. They have to look themselves in the mirror. I did the best I can do with what I have to work with. I think even if PEDs were allowed it still would not level the playing field. Guys who could afford it, could get the better stuff-then it's still a hierarchy of the haves and the have nots. Would I do it if I could make 100 million dollars. I would certainly wrestle with the decision a lot more, but short of that, it's a pretty easy decision. (75 mill I would wrestle too 
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I agree with your post 100%, but do you really think the guys competing in the UFC would think any less of themselves when they look in the mirror? not at all they would probably say damn i need another injection. These guys that juice dont have morals nor care all they want is the money and fame. Down the road when they are all broken down and in need, maybe then they will look back and regret it all.
It really is a fucked scenario. Just be clear I'm not saying to endorse or encourage people to do them but more that I don't think its such a horrible thing if its used as a suppliment to make an athlete perform better. I tune into MMA to see two warriors battle it out until once is either out cold or about to loose a limb. I would never push it on either of my kids if fighting is the path they chose but if they did decide to use I'd do all I could to help educate them on the best practices.
Does anybody have a list of what exactly is deemed a PED as far as ACs are concerned? That'll be helpful here as well to see what it is they are trying to control.
Does anybody have a list of what exactly is deemed a PED as far as ACs are concerned? That'll be helpful here as well to see what it is they are trying to control.
I would think this is what they go by https://wada-main-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/resources/files/WADA-prohibited-list-2014-EN.pdf
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Without looking I thought I remember watching an NSAC thing with the Jon Jones deal and the issue was that NSAC has not fully adopted wada or Vada and that's a sticking point. Is this correct?