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kvr28

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Nov 22, 2015
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I hired him in 2005 when he was in high school, he has worked on and off for me over the past 20 years. His father committed suicide during the financial crisis in 2008 and he went on a self destructive path ever since which he has been able to get under control the last decade. He has a beautiful wife and two beautiful daughters.

Him and a couple other guys I hired at the same time I call the sons that I never wanted.

Last Thursday was the anniversary of his father's suicide on his birthday. This sounds to me like he is in a very dark place right now. He is going to swing by this afternoon when he gets out of work to talk. I am going to be blunt and ask him if he is okay and thinking of self harm. Am I overthinking this?


 

Jamie999

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Aug 13, 2024
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Seems like an over reaction to just that text alone... If you're concerned I'd try to be more open ended and see what gets offered up and see if that or his tone when he's delivering it worries you, then you can be more direct but I don't think this alone warrants it.
 

kvr28

I am the Greengo
Nov 22, 2015
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Seems like an over reaction to just that text alone... If you're concerned I'd try to be more open ended and see what gets offered up and see if that or his tone when he's delivering it worries you, then you can be more direct but I don't think this alone warrants it.
I agree, I'll be more open ended in the questioning. Little more background, I reached out to one of the other sons and he verified that Gmoney was in a dark place right now and will be swinging by this afternoon as well to just chill and talk.
 

NotBanjaxo

Formerly someone other than Banjaxo
Nov 16, 2019
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You know this guy, I'm just reading a text on the internet; however I didn't get any bad vibes from it like you did.

Sounds to me like a guy appreciating what he has rather than lamenting what he lost.
 

Lennybishop

We all float down here
Nov 17, 2023
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I agree with Jamie999 on this. Because of his father's anniversary and previous history. Definitely check in on him. It is good that he has you to look up to and talk to kvr28 @kvr28 . The mental stress on things like this. Are no joke. Ball busting aside. You are a good man op.
 

kvr28

I am the Greengo
Nov 22, 2015
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Thanks guys, I'll let you know how the conversation goes. Just based off the text, his history and my background in EMS I am seeing red flags, I hope I'm wrong.
 

CuddleBug

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Nov 18, 2023
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Thanks guys, I'll let you know how the conversation goes. Just based off the text, his history and my background in EMS I am seeing red flags, I hope I'm wrong.
I'm interested to see if he's okay or not because I'd totally miss any signals that there was a reason to be concerned.
 

kvr28

I am the Greengo
Nov 22, 2015
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I'm interested to see if he's okay or not because I'd totally miss any signals that there was a reason to be concerned.
You never know, an officer posted this on a private forum, he lost his son


Two weeks ago today, my wife and I lost our 13 year old son. He took his own life. We're lost, broken, reeling... absolutely devastated.

But when I say we had no idea, no indication, no warning - I mean we had nothing. Out son was the same smiling, joyful, sweet kid we always knew - right until the end. We didn't know he was carrying the weight of the world on his soul. He hid it from us. From everyone.

He was laughing and joking at dinner, teasing my wife that he was now taller than her. A source of great excitement for him to be taller than mom. He was making plans - we talked that night about who he was going to room with on his 8th grade class trip to D.C. We were, as a family, going to Greece this summer - for a wedding. He had been talking about all the things that he wanted to see when he got there. Hell, he had even forgotten to complete an assignment that Tuesday, and when we talked about getting that fixed he'd said "Yep, no problem Dad, I'll get it turned in tomorrow."

He hugged us goodnight before bed, just like always. The first indication we had that something was wrong, was when I heard something and ran back into his room after we'd all gone to bed. He had shot himself. My wife and I worked to save him, but we knew. We both knew.

The next five days were an absolute nightmare. Our son was in an ICU on life support. We knew he wasn't coming back. But there was hope he may be able to an organ donor. Five days of making the most awful decisions - a parent should never have to make - it was hell.

January 26th, we made the decision to pull life support and held our son while he died. I have never felt pain and loss like I have the last two weeks. If there's something worse than this - I don't think I could survive it. Barely hanging on as is.

Our son was able to donate his heart, lungs, both kidneys and his liver to five people the night he died. Five people lived, because he died. We're clinging to that small bit of good in this giant dumpster fire of tragedy, because goddammit - we needed something.

The reason I posted this isn't for attention. I don't want sympathy or comfort. Frankly I don't deserve it. I know I failed my son, and that pain is something I have to wear forever.

The reason I posted this is to tell you all: hug your kids. You never know if the last time will be the last time. We sure had no clue. We were really in tune and talkative with ours. Or we thought. Turns out - we didn't have any idea what our boy was struggling with.

Sorry to dump my purse out on the sidewalk, and be such a bummer first thing in the morning, y'all. I just want everyone to check in on their kids.
 

Lennybishop

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Nov 17, 2023
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You never know, an officer posted this on a private forum, he lost his son


Two weeks ago today, my wife and I lost our 13 year old son. He took his own life. We're lost, broken, reeling... absolutely devastated.

But when I say we had no idea, no indication, no warning - I mean we had nothing. Out son was the same smiling, joyful, sweet kid we always knew - right until the end. We didn't know he was carrying the weight of the world on his soul. He hid it from us. From everyone.

He was laughing and joking at dinner, teasing my wife that he was now taller than her. A source of great excitement for him to be taller than mom. He was making plans - we talked that night about who he was going to room with on his 8th grade class trip to D.C. We were, as a family, going to Greece this summer - for a wedding. He had been talking about all the things that he wanted to see when he got there. Hell, he had even forgotten to complete an assignment that Tuesday, and when we talked about getting that fixed he'd said "Yep, no problem Dad, I'll get it turned in tomorrow."

He hugged us goodnight before bed, just like always. The first indication we had that something was wrong, was when I heard something and ran back into his room after we'd all gone to bed. He had shot himself. My wife and I worked to save him, but we knew. We both knew.

The next five days were an absolute nightmare. Our son was in an ICU on life support. We knew he wasn't coming back. But there was hope he may be able to an organ donor. Five days of making the most awful decisions - a parent should never have to make - it was hell.

January 26th, we made the decision to pull life support and held our son while he died. I have never felt pain and loss like I have the last two weeks. If there's something worse than this - I don't think I could survive it. Barely hanging on as is.

Our son was able to donate his heart, lungs, both kidneys and his liver to five people the night he died. Five people lived, because he died. We're clinging to that small bit of good in this giant dumpster fire of tragedy, because goddammit - we needed something.

The reason I posted this isn't for attention. I don't want sympathy or comfort. Frankly I don't deserve it. I know I failed my son, and that pain is something I have to wear forever.

The reason I posted this is to tell you all: hug your kids. You never know if the last time will be the last time. We sure had no clue. We were really in tune and talkative with ours. Or we thought. Turns out - we didn't have any idea what our boy was struggling with.

Sorry to dump my purse out on the sidewalk, and be such a bummer first thing in the morning, y'all. I just want everyone to check in on their kids.
I have heard many similar stories before unfortunately. You just always know. What is going on inside someone's head and where they are mentally.
 

Poiupoiu

Long and Thick Member
Oct 26, 2015
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just from my swinging past experiences. i see a lot of code words. reading between the lines, sounds like he asking you to do his wife
 

kvr28

I am the Greengo
Nov 22, 2015
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I reached out to my best friend who is also a minister to join us for the conversation, we two have spoken often how men lead lives of quiet desperation and men always need to have a challenge in life. I will address what challenges he is facing if it goes that direction. I think it will be a good conversation and hopefully changes his mind if that is what he he is leaning towards.
 

Bushkill Blades

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Oct 25, 2016
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That could be a red flag. Might not be. But it could.

Thanking people on your way out is a thing. Being overly happy around others on your way out is also a thing.

You're right to be wary. Feel him out and see.
 

MountainMedic

Rock Kicker
Sep 28, 2017
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I reached out to my best friend who is also a minister to join us for the conversation, we two have spoken often how men lead lives of quiet desperation and men always need to have a challenge in life. I will address what challenges he is facing if it goes that direction. I think it will be a good conversation and hopefully changes his mind if that is what he he is leaning towards.
Personally, I'd feel like this was a big violation of trust. I would not react well to it on a good day. If I'm in the middle of a bunch of bad days it'd be enough to slam the door shut on our relationship.
 

segfault

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Aug 13, 2024
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If he's socially awkward, could be him just wanting to make sure you know he's grateful. But go with your gut, your subconscious could be picking up something you can't rationally put a finger on.

If he's acting manic or uncommonly upbeat/outgoing, big red flag. Find out if he's been put on anything recently.
 

kvr28

I am the Greengo
Nov 22, 2015
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Personally, I'd feel like this was a big violation of trust. I would not react well to it on a good day. If I'm in the middle of a bunch of bad days it'd be enough to slam the door shut on our relationship.
You still have my number? I'm going to pm it to you if you don't, call me please
 

kvr28

I am the Greengo
Nov 22, 2015
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I showed my daughter the text, she was 8 and Gmoney was 17 when we opened, she has grown up around him and his family. She looks at him as a big brother. She is feeling the same as me, something is off
 

Lennybishop

We all float down here
Nov 17, 2023
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I showed my daughter the text, she was 8 and Gmoney was 17 when we opened, she has grown up around him and his family. She looks at him as a big brother. She is feeling the same as me, something is off
Your family knows him. Better than we do. If you all feel something is off. Trust your gut. To mountain medics point though. I would make sure it is OK. If your friend joins. I wouldn't want him to feel "ambushed ".
 

RussfromNH

Live Free or Die
Dec 12, 2018
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I wouldn’t have anyone with you when you meet him like mm mentioned I would feel blind sided

I would ask him directly how he is doing and feeling then listen
It’s a horrible place to be for anyone especially if you think you’re alone to deal with life’s dick punches

I’m sure he chose you to reach out to for a reason good luck bud
 

NiteProwleR

Free Hole Lay Row
Nov 17, 2023
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If you're gut tells you it could be worst case scenario then go with it. You'll also know what to do when you see him. Good luck.
 

NiteProwleR

Free Hole Lay Row
Nov 17, 2023
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Also, you may be panicking because you don't think you are enough but that text is telling me you mean a great deal to him. If he needs a preacher you can discuss that man to man. Is he a recovering addict? He may have slipped or is on the verge of it. At the least, seems like a cry for help and he's reaching for you not the Almighty.
 

Bungee up

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Jun 25, 2022
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My guess is he's probably OK.
Sounds like he just wants to show his appreciation.
It's not uncommon for people to send random texts like this.