I like Max Holloway's idea

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  1. Wild

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  2. sparkuri

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    This is what Dominick Cruz ssid during post-fight commentary
     
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    pretty obvious fuckery with this new electronic scorecard system

    far from transparent and I suspect that is on purpose

    That judge wasn't watching fights because he probably wasn't actually scoring the fights
     
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    Rashad Evans vs Thiago Silva
    Alistair Overeem vs Frank Mir
    Rashad Evans vs Rampage Jackson

    Fights where the eventual winner was up the first 2 rounds(clearly), and coasted the 3rd round avoiding the fight making it very anti climatic. If a fight has open scoring showing someone up 2 rounds to none, whether the fight is close or not, this open judging system creates a "coast to win" aspect that makes the most exciting part of fighting, the finish, anti climatic as fighters up 2-0 with run away from the fight.

    The entire system of "judging" needs to be thrown away. Get rid of judging all together. I've thought of an entire new system that would work, it just needs to be implemented and accepted.
     
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    Starting in 2021, we have TOURNAMENTS again, per weight class.

    Top 16 fighters of every weight class will be qualified every year.

    Tournament is spread out over the course of a year, where at the end of the year, the final two fighters of a weight class who went 3-0 already, will face off at the end of the year to determine who is that year's best fighter for that weight class.

    You will have 1 fighter per weight class who not only fought 4 times in one year, but won all four. Imagine this system being the norm and how bad ass one would be to be a tournament winner of their weight class for consecutive years!! Have the tournament winners be paid significant amount along with a title of 202x winner of x-weight class.
     
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    What if we didn't use judges at all?
    win - lose - draw

    JBJ's record would be 16-1-10
    (16 wins (TKO, KO, SUB) ; 1 loss (that DQ to Hamill) ; 10 fights that went the distance

    It's dumb - but so is having a fighter's W/L record dictated by judges who often have no fucking clue what they are watching.

    You'd definitely have a lot more fighters looking to finish.
     
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  7. Frank Armitage

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    Yes
     
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    Even if fighters didn't know, having it reported on the broadcast like it's been done in several boxing matches isn't a bad idea. I'm sure someone could text a corner to tell them they're up but that's solved by banning devices for corners.
     
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    It was my idea first
     
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    I like the idea.

    To push it even further, allow the fighters to see the scores before the next round starts.

    Also, bring it back to the early days and introduce each judge on camera at the start of the PPV.
     
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    I remember them trying this in boxing. Pros, you can see how corrupt the judging is and if you're down in the scorecards you know you need to hit the gas. Cons, takes the excitement of not knowing the scores and if someone is up by a few rounds they can just coast like Oscar De La Cokehead did when the GOAT Felix "Tito" Trinidad beat dat ass...
     
  12. Vagabond

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    should get rid of the judges, let the crowd decide who won the fight, like a rap battle. (if it goes to decision)

    if they boo both, then it's a draw or a no-contest

    boom. problem fixed
     
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    Will this not cause extremely cautious actions by the fighter ahead on the cards?
     
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    I do agree with this, but this is where the refs should be a lot more strict with the timidity rule. If you avoid the action, first warning, then point deduction, and keep deducting points if the winning fighter keeps being timid because he's happy to win 29-28.

    We have point deductions for a reason and they're rarely used. I think if we continue to have the unified-rules judging system then they should be used more often.
     
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    It would also let a fighter know if they are getting fucked by the judges so they'll know they have to finish the fight
     
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    Not if we also implement yellow cards.
     
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    Yes but the fighters behind on the cards will push the action harder. Maybe it balances out?

    The way judges have been scoring, the fighter more frantic for the finish will look like he is controlling the fight more and will probably win the rounds.

    Reminds me of football teams that are ahead going to the prevent defense. It doesn't always work out for them.
     
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    Allowing a way to win fights without a finish will only result in fighters not giving it there all. It's entirely possible Rashad and Overeem were trying to avoid the fight, but do just enough to make it look like they weren't.


    If you implement a system that encourages fighters to fight multiple times a year, finishes are rewarded, then that will eliminate options to win on the slightest of momentum, eliminate fighters not giving it there all.
     
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  20. Twelve Twenty Four

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    isn't this similar to what Bellator tried to do?
     
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    pride rules are superior
     
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    Similar but different.

    Bellator picks and chooses the marquee fighters on their roster instead of basing it on ranks.

    Plus Bellator still uses judges to score fights where as my proposal eliminates judges. Match makers/promoters have to make fights regardless of the outcome, so just eliminate judges and their paychecks and keep everything else the same, but watch how the fights improve.
     
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    I don't think they would be that boring really
     
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    I love it!
     
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