I scored McGregor/Diaz 2 differently than most people

[drtheglob]

Round 1: 10-9 Conor
Round 2: 10-9 Conor
Round 3: 10-8 Diaz
Round 4: 10-9 Conor
Round 5: 10-10 DRAW

Totals
Conor 48, Nate 47

I actually think you could give Nate the 10-8 round (debatable), but I also think round 5 was a draw. The only reason Nate won round 5 is because of the cognitive bias that favors the man who is winning at the end.

Look at the facts: Nate got outstruck in round 5 by 24-19 (via fightmetric.com) and while Nate had a takedown, Conor also had a trip in this round. Some people missed it:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gwuy3rc4BzU

 

[member 3289]

People that scored the fight for Nate don't know shit about MMA

 

[Silverball]

I just watched it again, coincidentally.

10-9 Conor
10-10 I can see how some folks gave Conor the round based on the knockdowns
10-9 Diaz
10-9 Conor
10-9 Diaz Close round where Nate was the aggressor, ends with Conor on his back

48-48 Draw, but it all comes down to that second round. Close fight either way. Conor's timing and game plan were on point, and overall he just looked better prepared than Nate, who looked sluggish compared to the way he fights at 155 (the MJ fight for example).

 

[Pitbull9]

I gave Nate the second round.

 

[member 3289]

I gave Nate the second round.

Stop smoking crack. He was knocked down twice in the 2nd

 

[Pitbull9]

Stop smoking crack. He was knocked down twice in the 2nd

Maybe i have to watch it again. One of the rounds scored for conor i gave to diaz I will have to watch again and see which rd it was.

 

[Ted Williams' head]

Where a lot of people go wrong is giving Nate round 2. I can understand why they do, because when Nate came on at the end of the round stupid Joe Rogan was screaming like Nate was about to knock him out.

In reality, Nate flurried a bit but really landed nothing of substance. In contrast, Conor dropped him twice with clean, effective punches and bloodied Nate up (and yes, I know Nate cuts very easily, but none the less it's still effective damage). If you watch Nate's combos, he's really not landing anything clean and he's doing very little damage.

Some people also give Nate a 10-8 for round 3, which I find ridiculous. It was a CLEAR round for Diaz, there's no two ways about it, but he really didn't do the damage or come close enough to a finish that would necessitate a 10-8.

 

[Silverball]

Where a lot of people go wrong is giving Nate round 2. I can understand why they do, because when Nate came on at the end of the round stupid Joe Rogan was screaming like Nate was about to knock him out.

In reality, Nate flurried a bit but really landed nothing of substance. In contrast, Conor dropped him twice with clean, effective punches and bloodied Nate up (and yes, I know Nate cuts very easily, but none the less it's still effective damage). If you watch Nate's combos, he's really not landing anything clean and he's doing very little damage.

Some people also give Nate a 10-8 for round 3, which I find ridiculous. It was a CLEAR round for Diaz, there's no two ways about it, but he really didn't do the damage or come close enough to a finish that would necessitate a 10-8.

I don't think any round was a 10-8 for either fighter. The first flash knockdown in the second resulted in little to no subsequent damage since Conor decided to back away, allowing Nate to quickly stand back up, and even though the second knockdown initially seemed like it might turn into a finish (or at least an attempted finish), Conor once again backed away as Nate butt scooted forward. I think Conor's performance in the 3rd round was an indicator of how in trouble he was at the end of the second round. To his credit, he came out in the fourth, went back to the game plan, and regained his momentum.

 

[Ted Williams' head]

I don't think any round was a 10-8 for either fighter. The first flash knockdown in the second resulted in little to no subsequent damage since Conor decided to back away, allowing Nate to quickly stand back up, and even though the second knockdown initially seemed like it might turn into a finish (or at least an attempted finish), Conor once again backed away as Nate butt scooted forward. I think Conor's performance in the 3rd round was an indicator of how in trouble he was at the end of the second round. To his credit, he came out in the fourth, went back to the game plan, and regained his momentum.

I agree I don't think there was a 10-8 round in the fight. But if people gave Nate a 10-8 for round 3, surely you'd have to give Conor a 10-8 for round 1.

But Conor's performance in round 3 was a gas tank problem. He ran out of gas and that changed the momentum of the fight in round 2. It wasn't like Diaz landed a punch that changed the momentum, Conor punched himself out, and you can't really score damage for a guy who tires himself out!

Either way, the right guy got the nod.

 

[Silverball]

I agree I don't think there was a 10-8 round in the fight. But if people gave Nate a 10-8 for round 3, surely you'd have to give Conor a 10-8 for round 1.

I thought you were making some good points, but then you went full fanboy on me. As a BJ Penn fan I know what it feels like to watch your favorite fighter gas, making him suddenly more vulnerable to attacks that were mostly ineffective when he was fresh, but that's an undeniable part of the fight game.

 

[check it]

all i know by re-watching that is the belt at 170 is out of conor's reach. he can't even finish diaz..and he's had 2 tries.

mayyyybe he could get through hendricks..but doubtful anybody else in the top 10

But Conor's performance in round 3 was a gas tank problem

he should sort that out, hit up bisping for some tips...instead of hitting up so many boutiques.

 

[La Paix]

People that scored the fight for Nate don't know shit about MMA

Lol at your support team.

 

[Ted Williams' head]

I thought you were making some good points, but then you went full fanboy on me. As a BJ Penn fan I know what it feels like to watch your favorite fighter gas, making him suddenly more vulnerable to attacks that were mostly ineffective when he was fresh, but that's an undeniable part of the fight game.

I'm not sure exactly what I said that's fanboyish or even controversial.

You seemed to be insinuating that Conor's performance in round 3 was indicative of how much damage Nate did in round 2. All I said was it wasn't a strikes by Nate that left Conor vulnerable at the end of round 2 and in round 3: it was him gassing.

If you can point to me a strike that Diaz landed in round 2 that sapped Conor's energy and changed the momentum, please do and I'll go back and review it.

 

[Ted Williams' head]

I mean if you go back to the first fight, you can pinpoint a couple of shots that Diaz landed that REALLY hurt McGregor. There's the classic one where he caught him right on the end of a 1-2 that clearly buckled McGregor enough to make him look for a double. Great punch.

But what did he land in round 2 or 3 of the second fight that did any significant damage? Conor gassed and Diaz swarmed him.

 

[member 3289]

Lol at your support team.

The GSP support team is you and Alienator.

Don't be jealous.

 

[La Paix]

The GSP support team is you and Alienator.

Don't be jealous.

 

[drtheglob]

I just watched it again, coincidentally.

10-9 Conor
10-10 I can see how some folks gave Conor the round based on the knockdowns
10-9 Diaz
10-9 Conor
10-9 Diaz Close round where Nate was the aggressor, ends with Conor on his back

48-48 Draw, but it all comes down to that second round. Close fight either way. Conor's timing and game plan were on point, and overall he just looked better prepared than Nate, who looked sluggish compared to the way he fights at 155 (the MJ fight for example).

The SAME logic that would give Nate a draw in round 2 should give Conor a draw in round 5!

Think about it:
Nate landed 3 more significant strikes than Conor in Round 2, BUT got knocked down twice.
However, Conor landed 5 more significant strikes than Nate in Round 5, BUT got taken down (although Conor also had a trip).

So logically, how can you give Nate a draw and round 2 because he landed more strikes, but not give Conor a draw in round 5 when he landed more strikes?

 

[Silverball]

The SAME logic that would give Nate a draw in round 2 should give Conor a draw in round 5!

Think about it:
Nate landed 3 more significant strikes than Conor in Round 2, BUT got knocked down twice.
However, Conor landed 5 more significant strikes than Nate in Round 5, BUT got taken down (although Conor also had a trip).

So logically, how can you give Nate a draw and round 2 because he landed more strikes, but not give Conor a draw in round 5 when he landed more strikes?

It's not always a question of statistics, especially if we're talking a difference of 5 more strikes landed by either fighter, which would barely be detectable as a viewer watching it live. I gave the 5th round to Nate by the narrowest of margins, but there's also something to the idea that if the round hadn't ended when it did, Nate would have continued to beat on Conor, either getting a ref stoppage or submitting him at some point. The end of the second round was more ambiguous.

 

[Zeph]

It's not always a question of statistics, especially if we're talking a difference of 5 more strikes landed by either fighter, which would barely be detectable as a viewer watching it live. I gave the 5th round to Nate by the narrowest of margins, but there's also something to the idea that if the round hadn't ended when it did, Nate would have continued to beat on Conor, either getting a ref stoppage or submitting him at some point. The end of the second round was more ambiguous.

5 more strikes is fairly noticeable. I'd expect someone who scores well to notice.

 

[Punch]

The GSP support team is you and Alienator.

Don't be jealous.

Tag me big meanie.

 

[drtheglob]

It's not always a question of statistics, especially if we're talking a difference of 5 more strikes landed by either fighter, which would barely be detectable as a viewer watching it live. I gave the 5th round to Nate by the narrowest of margins, but there's also something to the idea that if the round hadn't ended when it did, Nate would have continued to beat on Conor, either getting a ref stoppage or submitting him at some point. The end of the second round was more ambiguous.

I don't like the whole "if the round was longer" thing. Fighters pace themselves based on the actual length of the rounds, so if the rounds were longer, it would be at least a little different.

In any case, as another poster suggested, a 5 strike advantage is clearly more than some negligible difference. It's not a huge difference, but it is significant. Especially if the strike totals were very low for both fighters. And again, Conor also had the trip in round 5. I'll admit, Nate certainly helped his case a lot with the takedown. But for Nate to win the round, the takedown would have to not only compensate for getting outlanded by 5 strikes + a trip, but clearly surpass it. Was the takedown really all that great? To me, its a clear 10-10 round.

 

[lueVelvet]

View: https://youtu.be/uFqVZLG30kM

 

[Punch]

View: https://youtu.be/uFqVZLG30kM

I knew the benny hill was coming before i ever clicked play.

 

[regular john]

I kind of hate Conor but trying to squeeze this decision for Nate is beyond funny as there is nothing more un-Diaz than getting beat up and knocked down and trying to convince people that you barely won by decision because of a takedown.

 

[1031]

I mean if you go back to the first fight, you can pinpoint a couple of shots that Diaz landed that REALLY hurt McGregor. There's the classic one where he caught him right on the end of a 1-2 that clearly buckled McGregor enough to make him look for a double. Great punch.

But what did he land in round 2 or 3 of the second fight that did any significant damage? Conor gassed and Diaz swarmed him.

Diaz gassed Conor imo. There was only one man in that fight who was on the verge of breaking and it was Conor in round 3. I agree with the Conor decision but in terms of a fight, Diaz was the winner in my eyes because, Conor was saved by the bell, came back marvellously, but was still saved.