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Speaker to Animals

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Yeah that was trash, was prolly the closest towards "it might be" when it comes to actual superstition in ST. Meanwhile Q would wipe his ass with the prophets.
A friend and I have an in joke with each other. Any random moment one of us will say, "Remember: the shape shifter could be anyone- or anything."

And he might suggest we go to get some lunch, "But first, we must release the Pah Wraiths from the Fire Caves."

Never fails to get a grin.

I can vividly recall watching the finale and rolling my eyes so hard at Sisko and Dukat wrestling each other in a terrible visual effect. Just garbage. By then I didn't really care about the characters anymore.

I'm gonna start a ST thread later
 

John Lee Pettimore

Further south than you
May 18, 2021
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Impossible to explain it all.

By no means am I saying the players are all smart. Some are dumb as shit and are there strictly because they have the unique skill of hitting a 98 mph fastball thrown from 60'6" away.

But the battles between pitcher/catcher and hitter are fascinating to watch. Every at bat is a game of cat and mouse.

And managerial decisions from defensive positioning or when to execute substitutions or hit-&-runs. Double switches. Each game has 5 or 6 butterfly effect decisions that can change who wins and who loses.

If you watched a game with me you'd understand. Or you'd just yell "Shut the fuck up" at me like my wife does.
If you were in a Commonwealth country, would you attend a cricket game and learn about strategy? Cricket doesn't have managers as such, on-field tactics and strategy are left to the team captain and senior players. Field placements and bowler (pitcher) rotation are crucial.

For instance, here is a highly aggressive field placement, with everybody crowded around the defensive minded batsman who is struggling to survive:



And here is a more standard placement.



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Hauler

Been fallin so long it's like gravitys gone
Feb 3, 2016
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If you were in a Commonwealth country, would you attend a cricket game and learn about strategy? Cricket doesn't have managers as such, on-field tactics and strategy are left to the team captain and senior players. Field placements and bowler (pitcher) rotation are crucial.

For instance, here is a highly aggressive field placement, with everybody crowded around the defensive minded batsman who is struggling to survive:



And here is a more standard placement.



??
100%

I've watched some of that sport on TV. It isn't on very often over here, and I didn't understand what the fuck was happening - but it still held my interest.
 

John Lee Pettimore

Further south than you
May 18, 2021
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100%

I've watched some of that sport on TV. It isn't on very often over here, and I didn't understand what the fuck was happening - but it still held my interest.
There's no way to say it without sounding like a massive prick...... but everything you like about baseball, cricket has dialed it up. The best form of the game is the Test match. A two-team series generally lasts five matches. Each match is scheduled for five days, and will last for between three and five days. About 20% of matches end in a draw, and a 5 day draw can be a legitimately dramatic, thrilling and satisfying outcome. :smile:

It's great because you watch/follow a Test match hour by hour, not minute to minute. It's the best ambient background noise. Nothing beats Test cricket on the radio while you're working. And it's a weird, happy atmosphere going to the ground on Day 1, 2 or 3 and KNOWING that you're not going to see a result today....... but it's still a good day out at the cricket. :smile:

The interesting thing about a Test match is that your team can have the upper hand for 3 days, then suddenly they have a disastrous hour and all the gains they've worked hard for two or three days to build are wiped away. Like a baseball team being behind from the start, but then all of a sudden in the 7th inning they drive in 4 runs and now it's a live game again.

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John Lee Pettimore

Further south than you
May 18, 2021
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You lost me there.
There should never be ties in sporting activities.
Ah, see, you don't know. ?

A draw is not a tie. A tie is a possible result in a cricket Test match, but it has only happened twice in over 2,000 Tests and almost 150 years.

Think of it like a cagefight. You can have one guy wins a decision 4 rounds to 1, and it can still be a classic fight if one guy wins the first 4 rounds, then gets dropped hard early in the 5th and spends the rest of the round desperately trying to survive to hear the decision.

A Test cricket draw is often like that. One team has been outplayed over five days, but they fight hard and show grit and determination. It can be straight up thrilling when the game is 4 and a half days old, there's two hours left and only three batsmen left, and they have to batten down the hatches and survive - scoring runs becomes meaningless and irrelevant, the task is simply to survive and run out the clock while the bowling team desperately throws everything at them against the background of a ticking clock.

A five-day draw can be very satisfying if one team played better cricket, but the other team fought harder. And Test cricket is a real test of endurance and grit and mental resilience. ?

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Hauler

Been fallin so long it's like gravitys gone
Feb 3, 2016
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Ah, see, you don't know. ?

A draw is not a tie. A tie is a possible result in a cricket Test match, but it has only happened twice in over 2,000 Tests and almost 150 years.

Think of it like a cagefight. You can have one guy wins a decision 4 rounds to 1, and it can still be a classic fight if one guy wins the first 4 rounds, then gets dropped hard early in the 5th and spends the rest of the round desperately trying to survive to hear the decision.

A Test cricket draw is often like that. One team has been outplayed over five days, but they fight hard and show grit and determination. It can be straight up thrilling when the game is 4 and a half days old, there's two hours left and only three batsmen left, and they have to batten down the hatches and survive - scoring runs becomes meaningless and irrelevant, the task is simply to survive and run out the clock while the bowling team desperately throws everything at them against the background of a ticking clock.

A five-day draw can be very satisfying if one team played better cricket, but the other team fought harder. And Test cricket is a real test of endurance and grit and mental resilience. ?

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So what is a draw if it's not a tie?
How is a draw different than a win?

Or are you talking like a series? Like the Reds played the Cardinals 4 games over 4 days. Reds won 2 games with scores of 6-3 and 10-1; the Cardinals won 2 games with scores of 3-2 and 1-0

The series was split as each team won 2 and lost 2.
 

John Lee Pettimore

Further south than you
May 18, 2021
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So what is a draw if it's not a tie?
How is a draw different than a win?

Or are you talking like a series? Like the Reds played the Cardinals 4 games over 4 days. Reds won 2 games with scores of 6-3 and 10-1; the Cardinals won 2 games with scores of 3-2 and 1-0

The series was split as each team won 2 and lost 2.
Nope, just one game. ?

Basically, a draw means the game ran out of time. Five six-hour days wasn't enough to find a result. :smile:

It would be as if, to win a baseball game, you had to wrap up 9 completed innings before the clock hit 11pm. If you're pitching in the bottom of the ninth inning, you're up by 7 runs to 2 and you have gotten two outs in the inning, but then the clock hits 11pm........ too bad. Draw. You needed three outs by 11pm, not two. There's no extra innings. You should have pitched and placed your fielders more aggressively in the ninth and wasted less time on pitching rituals - you knew time was your enemy.

Whereas if you were tied 7-7 in the bottom of the ninth and then you get your third out - that's a tied game. There's no extra innings in Test cricket. But usually a team will score between 150-500 runs in a Test cricket innings and each team bats twice in a game, so a tie is vanishingly rare.

Running out of an arbitrary time limit and that means a draw sounds ridiculous and idiotic to you, I have no doubt. But the great thing is, after several days of cricket, on day 5 you can always sense a photo finish approaching for hours. So all day the tension slowly builds and builds, and then if it REALLY comes down to the wire, it's fucking dramatic. The players have spent a full working week building to this nailbiter. It's thrilling watching the last two batsmen (who aren't even specialist batters, they are the pitchers - everybody bats in a cricket team) desperately try to survive ball by ball, minute by minute, to crawl over the finish line with nothing to spare. ?

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Jesus X

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Sep 7, 2015
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baseball is doing better than the NFL,NHL or MLS baseball players are signing half a billion dollar contracts now. baseball has been around for 130 years it isn't going anywhere.
 
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I enjoy baseball. I do.

But it has always been a shit sport to watch. It's not exciting except at very rare moments.

It is uber popular in the midwest (the baseball hall of fame is located there) because people have fuck all to do.
 

Tiiimmmaaayyy

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Jan 19, 2015
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I played baseball from about 5 through high school. It was fun to play, but i never really watched games after about 12. I might check out the World Series, but that’s not even a guarantee. I do have to go to a couple games per year for work and will admit the live experience is definitely better than the tv product.
 

Qat

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Nov 3, 2015
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here's a documentary on the most dominant pitching performance I've ever seen.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWbQyRAvZRc


give it a shot and see if it draws you in
Okay I watched it till the end.

The dude is certainly nice and the production fits, but I can't really appreciate it since I have no real measure of or connection to how special it is and I don't understand most of the terms they use. I also don't know any of the people talking, they are prolly big stars and their opinions have merit, but you could put any guy from the corner there and it wouldn't make a difference to me.
Didn't really draw me in, no.

I suppose this is how you guys feel about real football. It's okay tho. We tried.