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Wintermute

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That was kind of a weird announcement by the CDC yesterday... They must have really good data on the vaccine being effective. I think I'm used to so much grandstanding under the Trump administration that just seems like a very mellow victory lap.

What do you guys think? Did we win?
 

ThatOneDude

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That was kind of a weird announcement by the CDC yesterday... They must have really good data on the vaccine being effective. I think I'm used to so much grandstanding under the Trump administration that just seems like a very mellow victory lap.

What do you guys think? Did we win?
As time goes on, more data is collected. I'm sure this is what people were hoping for and expecting, but there seem to be a lot of people complaining about it, which is weird because they complained about being told to wear a mask too.
 

Splinty

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When this was mentioned in another thread I took a minute to look at a month ago when the CDC said "slow the fuck down with the unmasking we are almost there" versus now....

Cases up, now cases down.
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Vaccine count has about doubled...
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Beyond this. Such a move is likely a move to further emphasize "if you'll get vaccinated, you can get back to life".
 

Splinty

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Variants could fuck this all up since vaccine adoption has been very heterogeneous and geographic. There are many areas that are greater than 70% vaccinated and then other areas that are about 10%. It's not vaccine supply and is almost all by political county.

Luckily the highest risk areas in large urban centers tend to lean towards being vaccinated It should blunt the largest risk for future outbreak and death.
 

Wintermute

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When this was mentioned in another thread I took a minute to look at a month ago when the CDC said "slow the fuck down with the unmasking we are almost there" versus now....

Cases up, now cases down.
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Vaccine count has about doubled...
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Beyond this. Such a move is likely a move to further emphasize "if you'll get vaccinated, you can get back to life".
That's exactly what I'm worried about- people on the fence, or anti-vaxers, will just not get it or wear their mask now. They just see this as the government ending it's tyranny of reporting masks.

There was no mandate for vaccine IDs or passports. The CDCs announcement seems like a declaration of victory.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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That was kind of a weird announcement by the CDC yesterday... They must have really good data on the vaccine being effective. I think I'm used to so much grandstanding under the Trump administration that just seems like a very mellow victory lap.

What do you guys think? Did we win?
For America the covid language shifted substantially in November and has been trending in a wind down pattern since.
 
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There are many areas that are greater than 70% vaccinated and then other areas that are about 10%.
Broward County population is ~2 million. The zip codes shown below have comparable numbers of residents:

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Filthy

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That was kind of a weird announcement by the CDC yesterday... They must have really good data on the vaccine being effective. I think I'm used to so much grandstanding under the Trump administration that just seems like a very mellow victory lap.

What do you guys think? Did we win?
you think the people who've been lying to you for the last year for political reasons suddenly decided to base their positions on data?

seems more likely that this a politically expedient.
 

ThatOneDude

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you think the people who've been lying to you for the last year for political reasons suddenly decided to base their positions on data?

seems more likely that this a politically expedient.
Show us your data sir.
 

Filthy

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Show us your data sir.
not what I'm saying at all. Just that my first response is to go look at data and see if the announcement is born out by science.

in this case, it's very fuzzy due to the risk of variants. Normally I say that risk of variants is low, but this virus has shown an incredible ability to mutate in ways that increase infectivity. Virus tend to slowly evolve the ability to infect humans, but this one came out of the gate as the most infectious version we've ever seen. And since then it's been mutating left and right. I don't think it's reasonable to say that the risk of variants is low enough and the vaccination rate is high enough to forego masks.

I think that the CDC is saying this because they think it will increase vaccinations, which it might marginally accomplish, but it's not a good exchange considering the number of people who will take this announcement as "It's over, let's share glasses and lick door knobs".

tldr; I agree with Splinty @Splinty and the graph, but I think the vaccination rate should be much higher for the current transmission rate before dropping indoor or large group mask requirements.
 

Filthy

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^ oh - I never mean "government mandated" when I say "mask requirements"

private property, personal choices.
 

ThatOneDude

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not what I'm saying at all. Just that my first response is to go look at data and see if the announcement is born out by science.

in this case, it's very fuzzy due to the risk of variants. Normally I say that risk of variants is low, but this virus has shown an incredible ability to mutate in ways that increase infectivity. Virus tend to slowly evolve the ability to infect humans, but this one came out of the gate as the most infectious version we've ever seen. And since then it's been mutating left and right. I don't think it's reasonable to say that the risk of variants is low enough and the vaccination rate is high enough to forego masks.

I think that the CDC is saying this because they think it will increase vaccinations, which it might marginally accomplish, but it's not a good exchange considering the number of people who will take this announcement as "It's over, let's share glasses and lick door knobs".

tldr; I agree with Splinty @Splinty and the graph, but I think the vaccination rate should be much higher for the current transmission rate before dropping indoor or large group mask requirements.
It seems vaccinations have leveled off and now we have a bunch of retards who aren't willing to do it. So is everyone else supposed to wait on them?
 

mysticmac

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You can still get COVID even if you are young, otherwise healthy, have had COVID before, and have been vaccinated.


That said, let's get rid of these stupid f'n masks and distancing rules.
 

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seems more likely that this a politically expedient.
A-Somebody told biden wearing a mask all day on camera is making the country and him look softer than baby shit.

B-Time to get back to work for some of the Govt Teet suckers, quit giving folks a reason to not work or contribute to the Machine.

C-It has become clear that they aren't going to enforce authoritarian control over approximately 60% of the country, best to not piss them off any further for political reasons.

D-None of the above

E-All of the above



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Filthy

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A-Somebody told biden wearing a mask all day on camera is making the country and him look softer than baby shit.

B-Time to get back to work for some of the Govt Teet suckers, quit giving folks a reason to not work or contribute to the Machine.

C-It has become clear that they aren't going to enforce authoritarian control over approximately 60% of the country, best to not piss them off any further for political reasons.

D-None of the above

E-All of the above



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D. the only number they care about is % vax. They think people are either entrenched in anti-vax, and this gives their social circle an 'out'.

"i only got the vaccine after I knew it was safe, and I'm done with masks".

the unintended consequence is the even larger percentage who are "HAHA I showed you. I didn't get vaxed AND I'm not wearing a mask. No one controls me!!!!"
 

Rambo John J

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D. the only number they care about is % vax. They think people are either entrenched in anti-vax, and this gives their social circle an 'out'.
Yes, it is a "sales" tactic, kind of a last ditch effort IMO...The Yearlong campaign is coming to an end as most that wanted it have gotten it.



I'm not anti vaxx personally but I don't blindly support all vaccines, the entire topic has been highly politicized and that turns a lot of people off. I support any person making an informed decision as far as injections go.



Judging by what I saw yesterday around town businesses and patrons are ready to pull down the masks regardless of vaccination rate, there was a noticeable shift in mask usage for both.
 
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they aren't going to enforce authoritarian control over approximately 60% of the country
Lol @ 60%.

47% of the country has received at least one dose. We are still vaccinating 1-2 million people every day, a number that will continue to hold now that kids 12 and up can get vaccinated.

You unvaccinated lepers will be 20% MAX by the time everything is said and done.
 

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Over here Johnson has said the June final lockdown may have to be cancelled because of the Indian variant.

Its a sad state of affairs.

If they do this England will go mental.

We won't adhere. That's a fact.

We've taken their shit long enough.