Is piracy a legitimate factor for the decline of UFC PPVs?

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CockPuncher

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Much is being made of the decline in sales of UFC PPVs. A recent event was said to have one of the worst sales since 2005, and there is no shortage of stories hyping the decline. UFC 173 had less than 100,000 buys. The UFC has responded to the recent declines by sicking their dog Dana on the evil pirates of UFC media. Nothing is ever said of the multiple rises in event prices or the confusion for the casual fan that is created by monthly UFCs interspersed with almost weekly events on a multitude of channels. The UFC has publicly declared that they are going after individual sharers of their content. As someone who knows a friend who occasionally looks at a torrent, the big sites seem to be hosting less UFC content than ever. I admit, I rarely buy a PPV, since even $50 is too much for me, but I'll often go to a local pool hall that buys a license to show it (or go to a taqueria of more questionable repute). At what point will the UFC have to concede that there are other factors besides piracy? Or, am I off base, and are pirates really responsible for a significant portion of the PPV woes of Zuffa?
 

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If the fights and fighters are interesting to me, I will buy the ppv. If it's the typical, watered down card, I won't buy it.
 

D241

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Good bring up, but I honestly think it's the UFC having to fulfill so many obligations in terms of Fox sports 1, Fox, Fight Pass, PPV's, they can't use all the named fighters for one event, they have to water them down so each obligation has a main event.

That's the biggest factor imo. Streaming is a way to not pay, but if you put on a quality card straight up and down, ie like they used to, people won't want to stream a great card, they'll be willing to pay to watch in quality.
 

IschKabibble

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Absolutely it is, but they have nobody to blame but themselves. They are not adapting to new technology at the rate their consumers desire it. They've chosen to stick with the antiquated PPV model where customers have to gamble their money on a potential lackluster card of fights.

I've been saying it all along, but they need to increase the cost of fight pass to $20/month and host all of their content there. I realize the FOX deal prevents them from doing that, but that's UFCs fault.

I recall Dana being so excited about all the young executives at FOX who were going to grow the sport into an international phenomenon, but the reality is those executives are out of touch. FOX's best interest is drawing viewers to a dying medium. And if their network isn't available to cord-cutters like me, who get all of their media off the internet, they're missing out on an uptapped revenue stream.
 

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I dont think the decline is due to privacy unless you could dana and co stealing good match ups and handing us watered down cards, or fights that noone cares about. I rarely will buy a PPV anymore.
 
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no,piracy is not the reason, look at all those failures ufc has made
 

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I think the decline is directly related to Zuffa either being unwilling, or incapable of, creative and forward thinking. They had the US and Canadian markets by the balls, and people in those countries fully invested in their organization from 2008-2011...and instead of re-investing in those countries, and building stars to maintain momentum....they launch "World Fucking Domination", increase the amount of shows they're doing X 3, hire 300 more fighters, water the fuck out of their product, and ask the loyal consumers left in the US & Canada to pay $5 more per PPV. That is why people lost interest or got fed up.

I honestly wonder sometimes how they have made it as far as they have...then I remember, if it wasn't for the Uncles having $45 million to piss away before Forrest & Bonnar saved their asses, they wouldn't be here at all.
 

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People buy PPV for the big names and big fights, the big event that is an unmissable occasion. The last few years with too many events, too many fighters, too many injures, too many positive tests, too many countries to cater to that shit is pretty much impossible for the UFC to organize. But fuck it blame the pirates, I say we nuke Somalia.
 

crowbar

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It has an impact.But I blame it on people having less disposable income,watered down cards & oversaturation.

Anybody remember when Zuffa came down on these websites?



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Wild

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^^^ Yep. It worked though because there aren't good streams available anymore.

 

crowbar

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Yeah,a bunch of the fuckers that are out there are pretty tricky when you`re trying to get rid of the boxes.
 

D241

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to clarify, those were websites ufc went after for providing streams to the general public for ufc ppvs?
 

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D241;n28421 said:
to clarify, those were websites ufc went after for providing streams to the general public for ufc ppvs?

Yes, and it clearly worked. Zuffa > Metallica
 
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if the used the money to pay fighters well instead of dumping it into anti-piracy
 

Bluesville

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To a degree I'm sure it reduces their revenues. BUT only in the US. Anyone who is streaming from outside of the pay wall (and their will be hundreds of thousands) aren't having any effect on Zuffa I guess.
 

D241

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bluesville;n28436 said:
To a degree I'm sure it reduces their revenues. BUT only in the US. Anyone who is streaming from outside of the pay wall (and their will be hundreds of thousands) aren't having any effect on Zuffa I guess.

I made a thread on this a year or so ago. It had some interesting grey areas pointed out, I can't recall if we ever got a legit answer on what's legal/not legal when it comes to streaming within and outside the USA.

http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/thread/2270498/If-you-stream-a-UFC-ppv-is-it-still-wrong-if/
 

jason73

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I Wild Each It;n28400 said:
^^^ Yep. It worked though because there aren't good streams available anymore.

this was the exact moment i became aware of streaming ufc events. thanks zuffa
 

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If you put on 6 stacked ppv a year guarantee their ppv numbers would do a shit ton better...its not rocket science..
 

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I think the reality is, people that are streaming wouldn't be buying anyway. They either don't think the product is worth the price being asked, or they can't afford the price being asked, or they aren't invested in the product enough to pay the price being asked. I think Zuffa only has three options: 1) Lower PPV prices to try and create incentives 2) Move completely away from the PPV model, 3) Deal with the fact that you streaming is a reality of today's technology and they aren't going to win that war.
 

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i think that ppv numbers are in decline for the simple fact that the casual fans dont care anymore.its just not as popular as it was when the 2006-07 affliction tshirt ed hardy douchenozzle crowd was buying ppvs.the fighters have changed and the casuals cant keep up. moving from spike lost alot of casuals as well.its hard to follow these days with fightpass and all the different channels needed.
 

La Paix

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No idea the actual numbers and I'm sure its on the radar but nothing to be gunning for so much you forget about improving the product. Too many cards with low level fighters, too expensive ppv price, casual fan has lost interest, hard cores feel taken advantage of and forgotten. Look how many fighters are on the roster here, 107 LWs? How can anybody not agree that its a watered down product?


 

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DiazIsDeepInside MyTatteredArsehole;n28512 said:
If you put on 6 stacked ppv a year guarantee their ppv numbers would do a shit ton better...its not rocket science..
this.its hard to get excited when there is a card every weekend
 

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I think it comes down to interest. They have for the most part lost my interest and I'm sure it could be argued that they aren't gaining a wealth of fans. I have bought one ppv in over 2 years and that was the Silva/Diaz ppv and I had buyers remorse afterwards.
Don't even bother to stream anymore I just catch highlights and results after the event.
There is absolutely no buzz about events amongst anybody I know that has had any interest. UFC pissed off a lot of fans when they came to Calagry!
 

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ShatsBassoon;n28566 said:
UFC pissed off a lot of fans when they came to Calagry!
Don't even sweat it because BLAF's gonna make that up to you all.