Good one lol. Yeah they are but the Palestinians as people are no better and no matter what the circumstance was they would still hate Israelis and never let them live in peace. You can say what you want about how tough Israel is but until you are sorrounded by people who won't accept your existence you won't ever know what to do or how it feels. Zeph you seem to be on some sort of quest. What's your goal? If you have such a voice and you're so passionate why not go out there and stop being a little pussy posting on a message board and do something. You seem to have a lot to say, think you know everything and are great at spinning shit. Sounds like your scummy enough to be a politician! Congrats.You're right the IDF are murderers.