Personal Job that pays $40K more or job with top notch work environment?
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My father is retired on a pension with a few hundred grand tucked away and he still won’t eat anywhere that charges over $25 for a dish. I’m my fathers son, so I’ll always look at the price. It’s principle man. $20 for a burger? The fuck outta here
If you had millions of dollars tucked away, you wouldn't care. At all. Promise.
Not so sure about that
I know a few super frugal millionaires
One couple is still shopping at second hand stores and shit and they drive cars from early 90s
Another dude cooks every meal himself and won't even buy an expensive cut of meat, told me costco ribeye is a waste of money haha.
Exceptions for sure but they do exist, and it is probably part of why they have that amount of $$$ saved
You're missing the point. I'm not saying people who are comfortable piss their money away or live extravagantly. I'm saying when they want something they get it and don't worry about what else they could have spent the money on. Now, if the people you're talking about live frugally constantly denying themselves without exception, then they're the group I previously referred to who are collecting money. If they want to do that, cool, but it's one of the dumber activities a human being can involve themselves in.
It's about a 40% raise, which is why I threw my hat in the ring in the first place.
I will take a pay cut if the job is 1 to 4 miles from my house. which means almost zero commute. I used to commute an hour or 2 hrs round trip and that wears on you after years. as a get older I value work life balance more I wont work 14 to 16 hr days rather work 8 hr shifts.I personally value work environment more than higher money because I have been miserable making a ton of money in a shitty environment with a bunch of assholes in a union job.
Ive been there man. I've worked jobs in policy/research, accounting, media, bouncing, writing, delivery driving, landscaping, factory work, warehousing and probably a hundred other shitkicking jobs.
Fact is though - I've never applied for - let alone got asked for an interview for - a job that pays so much (I'm just gonna come out with it - it's just under $105K/year). I have to at least get to know more. I also have to let my boss know on Wednesday when he's back.
He's a great fella. Best boss I've had and we're not best friends, but we've developed a personal friendship too. He invited me to his birthday party last year and let me drive his $50,000 car when we were away for work and I had to drive to a client. Small shit but it's huge to me.
Plus I'm developing a rapport with many of my clients I haven't developed anywhere else. Shit, just last week I had an appointment with a new client. It was the daughter of another client of mine I've had since I started here. She needed to get her first tax returns done, her dad had enough faith and trust in me and abilities that he sent her to me. Again, doesn't seem like a big deal, but it is for me.
Just shit I need to take into account man.
And yeh bro - I'm about a 9 minute drive to my work AGAINST the main morning/afternoon flow of traffic, and there's always my pick of parking spots when I arrive. It's the fucking best.
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@BrunoMcGyver update us (well, at least me!) on what you decide!
Do the interview and get a feel for the new place. If it seems very cool plus has the pay, go for it. If it's less stable, more hassle or seems like it's filled with unhappy people, stay put.
Oh and don't tell the boss until after you interview and get the vibe.
Just got back from chatting to my boss.
He seems understanding. It's $43000 a year after all. I made sure to emphasise that I'm not willing to drop everything for this other job - that the money has my attention but that it doesn't have my heart. I want to go the interview to see if the other factors shine a light to what I have in my current job.
Again he understood. He works with numbers too and knows them better than me - he knows that $40+ grand a year is an eye opening difference.
He's given me the go ahead to go to the interview tomorrow. So I guess I'll see how I go, but if I get the feeling that the work environment is no good then I'm inclined to stay put.
Had the interview this morning.
Very structured as is typical for these types of organisations. A panel of 3 managers plus a HR consultant. They put me in a room where they gave me a sheet with a few case study questions. I had 20 minutes to go through them and then went to a room with the panel, where I then had 30 minutes to go through them all.
Sometimes it did show that I wasn't comfortable with the structure, but I answered all the questions and feel I did so the best I could in the circumstances.
They manager who I'd be reporting to if I got the role is a woman in her mid, probably even late 50s. Seemed nice enough, but doesn't seem like someone I'd relate to like a I relate to my current boss. I feel that's very important because whoever takes this role would be a right-hand man/woman to her.
That said, they're a small (but growing) team in a growing organisation, so its a good chance to make my mark and help make some great, possibly lasting changes to an organisation. That said, because there's a small team, there is no working environment, and the Senior officer would have some big input into the environment that gets built. I don't think I would want to risk jumping in and then being overruled by high-level staff, as can often be the case in larger organisations.
Having said that, I get the feeling they're going to look at my application and reflect on my interview and think something like "He has the technical skills and experience we need and has the right ideas about being a mentor to the junior staff, but his lack of experience in putting those ideas into practice mean he's out." That's the vibe I got after the interview.
All good if that's the case though. Makes my decision a bit easier. Still though, even if I'm unsuccessful for the job, it shows that I'm successful in moving in the right direction. Just 2 years ago I could barely make it to interviews for an entry-level job. In a short space of time I'm being interviewed for senior roles that pay 6 figures. There's no being cocky about it, but it's a reassurance of the hard work and good moves I've made lately.
Very structured as is typical for these types of organisations. A panel of 3 managers plus a HR consultant. They put me in a room where they gave me a sheet with a few case study questions. I had 20 minutes to go through them and then went to a room with the panel, where I then had 30 minutes to go through them all.
Sometimes it did show that I wasn't comfortable with the structure, but I answered all the questions and feel I did so the best I could in the circumstances.
They manager who I'd be reporting to if I got the role is a woman in her mid, probably even late 50s. Seemed nice enough, but doesn't seem like someone I'd relate to like a I relate to my current boss. I feel that's very important because whoever takes this role would be a right-hand man/woman to her.
That said, they're a small (but growing) team in a growing organisation, so its a good chance to make my mark and help make some great, possibly lasting changes to an organisation. That said, because there's a small team, there is no working environment, and the Senior officer would have some big input into the environment that gets built. I don't think I would want to risk jumping in and then being overruled by high-level staff, as can often be the case in larger organisations.
Having said that, I get the feeling they're going to look at my application and reflect on my interview and think something like "He has the technical skills and experience we need and has the right ideas about being a mentor to the junior staff, but his lack of experience in putting those ideas into practice mean he's out." That's the vibe I got after the interview.
All good if that's the case though. Makes my decision a bit easier. Still though, even if I'm unsuccessful for the job, it shows that I'm successful in moving in the right direction. Just 2 years ago I could barely make it to interviews for an entry-level job. In a short space of time I'm being interviewed for senior roles that pay 6 figures. There's no being cocky about it, but it's a reassurance of the hard work and good moves I've made lately.
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@BrunoMcGyver im late to the party but just remember that with the struggles you have posted about, the most important thing is you remain in a good place mentally!
@Dick Niaz I was told about 3-4 weeks they'll get back to me. Spoke with the wife about it when she got home which was refreshing. Have obviously slept since then and my main thought is - as I told my wife and boss before interview - the money has my attention but not heart, and the interview is to see whether the job can get my heart.
Well, while I feel like the workplace generally wouldn't be a bad one, the reality is the job didn't capture my heart after the interview. So I'm 99% likely to stay put. If I had a kid/kids I would hope I got the offer because I would jump to the money. But that's not the case here.
@Lars R. Biden thanks man. I'm not one to forget these things, and it's a big reason behind my thought process. I'm happy here. In fact, this is the longest-time I've spent in a 'job job' and I still don't come to work wishing I didn't have to. That speaks volumes imo
Boss came into my office yesterday afternoon for a bit of chat.
Again reiterated he understood why I chose to apply for this job and again I reiterated there was no issue with him or the workplace, it was just that if someone decided to throw a heap at money at someone, I was just gonna see if that person could be me, but that even if it is me, I'm almost certainly inclined to stay put.
He said he and the other directors agreed that they want me here long term, and said if I kept doing what Im doing, my pay would certainly go up in the future. He gave me a small payrise (works out to be a few cents an hour but a token of their gratitude, so im grateful) and said at the mid-year review, I'm essentially going to get a decent pay increase.
He said that if I keep doing what I'm doing, taking on these extra responsibilities etc, there should be no reason Im on 100K in the next 2 years. I said that's great, but tbh it's not all about the money, it's about being at a place that cares about me and gives me the environment to kick arse - and he and the workplace in general does that.
He also said there MAY be an opportunity for me to buy into the business in the next year or two if I'm keen.
Pretty much cements my decision to stay put.
Again reiterated he understood why I chose to apply for this job and again I reiterated there was no issue with him or the workplace, it was just that if someone decided to throw a heap at money at someone, I was just gonna see if that person could be me, but that even if it is me, I'm almost certainly inclined to stay put.
He said he and the other directors agreed that they want me here long term, and said if I kept doing what Im doing, my pay would certainly go up in the future. He gave me a small payrise (works out to be a few cents an hour but a token of their gratitude, so im grateful) and said at the mid-year review, I'm essentially going to get a decent pay increase.
He said that if I keep doing what I'm doing, taking on these extra responsibilities etc, there should be no reason Im on 100K in the next 2 years. I said that's great, but tbh it's not all about the money, it's about being at a place that cares about me and gives me the environment to kick arse - and he and the workplace in general does that.
He also said there MAY be an opportunity for me to buy into the business in the next year or two if I'm keen.
Pretty much cements my decision to stay put.