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BobSalvage

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The best he can hope for is a Yoel Romero situation where they can clearly show that they had no knowledge of the substances presence in the substance and get a reduced sentence. I can honestly see if happening based on the things Malki was saying but he might of just been up there talking shit
 

MoomBah

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I buy it. I buy that he didn't know what he was taking was against the rules. But any supplement that you take that's not food based is inherently a ped imo.
 

HEATH VON DOOM

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Doesnt the athlete have to pay for the b sample to be tested and if he requests it then shouldnt it be treated as a appeal and him being able to earn a living while in appeal?
 

Pitbull9

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I buy it. I buy that he didn't know what he was taking was against the rules. But any supplement that you take that's not food based is inherently a ped imo.
Yup. Wtf do these geniuses think they are taking, vitamin water? What do they think are in these supps especially GAT supps which are known as some of the sketchiest around.
 

Jeon Sa

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He's fucking tore up about this. I was on his ass last night but now I'm beginning to believe he took something he didn't know was a violation. Am I being naive here guys?
This is why we need to take a few more days to pass judgement. In the moment it is always hard to tell what is what. At the end of the day this press conference will mean very little other than change your emotion. No real facts came from this. Jones says he wouldn't do anything to cheat.

In the press conference Jones says something about he has taken some things but it was not for performance... I wonder what he was talking about there.
 

Virtually Identical

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Jon dude, nobody but Jon.
I am seeing a lot of "nobody to blame but Jon" on the internet and think that is somewhat myopic. There are two issues here. The result and the timing. There is nobody to blame but Jones for the card being blown up but that shouldn't lead people to totally discount the timing portion and let USADA off the hook. They shouldn't be getting results 72 hours before the damn event. That is unprofessional and amateur hour. Get your fucking timing down. People have already traveled, etc...that is a joke.

Fighters are going to mess up...that is a given, but to overlook the systemic issue here because there is "no one to blame but Jones" would be a mistake. You can also blame the USADA...I mean 72 hours before...give me a break.
 

wiz

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Knowingly take a substance? Maybe.

Never cheat?... Lol

I see your point but it's still pretty insignificant in context. Eye poking still doesn't equate to purposely taking a PED to risk all the work he did surviving years of hell and public scrutiny.
 

Jeon Sa

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Who is the woman at the end? "You guys know who I am" She seemed like she was trying to steal all the spot light and in my option she put a spotlight on what the entire purpose of the press conference was.
 

La Paix

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I am seeing a lot of "nobody to blame but Jon" on the internet and think that is somewhat myopic. There are two issues here. The result and the timing. There is nobody to blame but Jones for the card being blown up but that shouldn't lead people to totally discount the timing portion and let USADA off the hook. They shouldn't be getting results 72 hours before the damn event. That is unprofessional and amateur hour. Get your fucking timing down. People have already traveled, etc...that is a joke.

Fighters are going to mess up...that is a given, but to overlook the systemic issue here because there is "no one to blame but Jones" would be a mistake. You can also blame the USADA...I mean 72 hours before...give me a break.
I'm saying the failed test is on Jon. Maybe I'm wrong and the B comes back clean, we will see. If it's tainted suppliments like Yoel then that kind of thing should be on his radar seeing they train together. I get people make mistakes but at Jon's level and with his past coming into 200 it's crazy to think something like this could happen.
 

DoTheKick

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I see your point but it's still pretty insignificant in context. Eye poking still doesn't equate to purposely taking a PED to risk all the work he did surviving years of hell and public scrutiny.
Totally agree, he still sort of set himself up for it though.
 

Jimmy Wilde

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Please...the guy is a 28-year-old Millionaire with a history of drug abuse. Maybe he should try taking zero supplements. The bottom line is if they actually help significantly, they are going to be banned. So hey everybody, quit wasting money buying stupid pills or even protein powder.

Here's another idea, if you are not and never would be a cheater, send out your supplements to be tested before you even take them.

It's fucking simple.
 
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I am seeing a lot of "nobody to blame but Jon" on the internet and think that is somewhat myopic. There are two issues here. The result and the timing. There is nobody to blame but Jones for the card being blown up but that shouldn't lead people to totally discount the timing portion and let USADA off the hook. They shouldn't be getting results 72 hours before the damn event. That is unprofessional and amateur hour. Get your fucking timing down. People have already traveled, etc...that is a joke.

Fighters are going to mess up...that is a given, but to overlook the systemic issue here because there is "no one to blame but Jones" would be a mistake. You can also blame the USADA...I mean 72 hours before...give me a break.
Malki said they're gonna have the results from the B sample test tonight, which is less than 24 hours from when the sample was requested.

Yet they had the A sample since June 16 and we're just now finding out about it???
 

canofsticks

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I am seeing a lot of "nobody to blame but Jon" on the internet and think that is somewhat myopic. There are two issues here. The result and the timing. There is nobody to blame but Jones for the card being blown up but that shouldn't lead people to totally discount the timing portion and let USADA off the hook. They shouldn't be getting results 72 hours before the damn event. That is unprofessional and amateur hour. Get your fucking timing down. People have already traveled, etc...that is a joke.

Fighters are going to mess up...that is a given, but to overlook the systemic issue here because there is "no one to blame but Jones" would be a mistake. You can also blame the USADA...I mean 72 hours before...give me a break.
Why are you holding USADA to a standard nobody ever agreed to? USADA never came out and said "hey, we'll get tests back within two weeks" or something (at least not that I'm aware of. Maybe I'm wrong on that point?)

They're a non-profit and it took them 3 weeks to get a test back. That doesn't seem egregious to me. I mean, don't get me wrong, ideally, it'd be nice if they could expedite certain samples when so close to their scheduled bout. But, to my knowledge, they've never had a policy with regards to how quick they will get results back.

You're criticizing them for not being quick enough when USADA never made an expectation of being quick. I don't think that's fair to paint their process as a "systemic issue" when they didn't break any agreed upon standard to begin with.
 

SC MMA MD

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Malki said they're gonna have the results from the B sample test tonight, which is less than 24 hours from when the sample was requested.

Yet they had the A sample since June 16 and we're just now finding out about it???
They know exactly what to test for now though, it does not need to go through a whole battery of tests
 

kneeblock

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Honestly forget these guys.

No one takes anything knowingly

No one ever "tries" to cheat

It's always a mistake

They are always sorry...they got caught

It's always a supplement

More like it's always some bullshit excuse
Jon is one of my favorite fighters and one of the best we've ever seen and maybe will ever see, but Pitbull9 @Pitbull3744 is 100% right here imo.

Of course he got up there and vehemently denied and cried and everything else. Everyone knows from past voluntary admissions that the penalties are always stiff. If you didn't know or you took viagra or you deny, deny, deny you are literally always better off. We may question Jones' legacy because of this, but to believe he's doing anything but lying now is to forget he comes from a family of pro athletes with extensive media coaching and has been through enough scandals already that he's become a spin pro.

I'm sorry this happened because he's on the cusp of being another "I wonder what could've been" like Tyson or other athletes who blew it when they were on top. It would be wonderful for this all to be a mistake just so we could see his career continue, but I sincerely doubt that's the case here.
 

Howard Moon

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JBJ is responsible for everything that is present in his samples, regardless of intent. He was aware that he would be under a microscope because of his history, and that USADA has a very extensive list of banned substances.

Bones and his people should have had a list of foods, beverages, supplements, etc which they knew were clean and he should have taken nothing that wasn't on the list. There is absolutely NO excuse for this failure(unless tainted sample, which is very unlikely), whether it was inadvertent or intentional. At worst, it was cheating, at best it was massive negligence that affects many people beyond himself. He dun fucked up bad, and he's running out of chances.
 

Pitbull9

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Jon is one of my favorite fighters and one of the best we've ever seen and maybe will ever see, but Pitbull9 @Pitbull3744 is 100% right here imo.

Of course he got up there and vehemently denied and cried and everything else. Everyone knows from past voluntary admissions that the penalties are always stiff. If you didn't know or you took viagra or you deny, deny, deny you are literally always better off. We may question Jones' legacy because of this, but to believe he's doing anything but lying now is to forget he comes from a family of pro athletes with extensive media coaching and has been through enough scandals already that he's become a spin pro.

I'm sorry this happened because he's on the cusp of being another "I wonder what could've been" like Tyson or other athletes who blew it when they were on top. It would be wonderful for this all to be a mistake just so we could see his career continue, but I sincerely doubt that's the case here.
One thing I will give Jones and no one can take away from him is he is def one of the best mma fighters ever. He has made amazing fighters look like nothing. Like you said too bad we might never get to see him reach that upper upper upper level. A two year suspension would literally be devastating to him. Can't fight till 2018? That would be it imo
 
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One thing I will give Jones and no one can take away from him is he is def one of the best mma fighters ever. He has made amazing fighters look like nothing. Like you said too bad we might never get to see him reach that upper upper upper level. A two year suspension would literally be devastating to him. Can't fight till 2018? That would be it imo
I get what you're saying, but the problem i see with that now is we will never know if those performances were achieved while he was on Peds. So to me, if he indeed has taken performance enhancers, it seems like an asterisk has been placed beside his name in the record books.
 

Pitbull9

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I get what you're saying, but the problem i see with that now is we will never know if those performances were achieved while he was on Peds. So to me, if he indeed has taken performance enhancers, it seems like an asterisk has been placed beside his name in the record books.
Same as Anderosn I guess right?