Jon Jones vs. DJ vs. GSP

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  1. Kneeblock

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    These three guys are to me the best at mixing martial arts. All three have solid kickboxing offense and defense, takedowns and takedown defense, and are excellent in the clinch. They've also shown good transitional grappling skills and have submitted high level guys.

    What's most notable about these 3 is how seamlessly they transition between ranges and truly mix martial arts. Of them, I feel DJ is best at this and GSP is probably #2 with Jones as 2a. Both Jones and GSP have sometimes fallen in love with their striking at times when they should've been doing something else.

    Fedor is another one that comes to mind, but I think these three are just a cut above in that they rely on power less and have had more well rounded competition. Still, he'd probably be #3 tied with DC on my list. Prime Anderson and Aldo also come to mind, but realistically they were just great strikers who could credibly grapple, but rarely chose to, and had total mastery of timing and distance for awhile.

    In terms of just technical ability, how do you rank DJ, Georges and JJ? This isn't about who's GOAT for achievements, but more just about the excellence of execution of the actual art of MMA. Bret Hart ineligible.
     
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  2. tang

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    I say Dj, GSP, Jones and has to do with their weight.

    If you look at any combat sports, the way lighter weights compete is always similar. They lack power so they have to rely on speed. They have more endurance since less muscle mass that requires more oxygen. If you're a car with great amount of horsepower and torque but without the right type of suspension or chassis, that car will go off the rails. Similar with humans, you need perfect technique to support the fast movements in all parts of the body or else the actual movement will be hard to control. So the lighter guys always focus more on the technique. You can see it at heavy weights, they have more chance of connecting with a lucky punch and knock someone out just by the sheer momentum. I guess another good comparison is a car crash involving small car traveling at higher speed or heavy ass 18 wheeler going slower.

    plus the lighter guys usually trains often with heavier guys and even if they want to beat them in the gym, they need perfect technique.
     
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  3. Tom Terrific

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    1. Jones
    2. DJ
    3. GSP


    1873. Fedor
     
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  4. JonJonesBeard

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    I'd say 1) GSP 2) DJ 3) JBJ.

    We've seen JBJ in too many close decisions that shouldn't have been because he deliberately had some grand vision for how he wanted the fight to end. The Santos fight immediately springs to mind. There was simply no reason for that fight to be close. Jones wanted to win a shootout, so he kept it standing even though it almost cost him his title.

    GSP beats DJ on strength of schedule. When the talent pool is as thin as DJ's, it's hard to put a high level of emphasis on what he's capable of.
     
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  5. Tom Terrific

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    Too many = 2?
     
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  6. JonJonesBeard

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    What are your 2?
     
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    jon jones lost to matt hammil
     
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  8. Tom Terrific

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    Gus 1 and Santos
     
  9. JonJonesBeard

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    Oh, boy.
     
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    Solid retort
     
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    I love you, but I've had a Hell of a couple weeks and really don't have it in me tonight.
     
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  13. Ricky Bobby

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    Facking cliffs?
     
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    Jones isn't a mixed martial artist, he's a pro fighter.
     
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    How much of the way he was able to train and win has been due to steroids?
    How much adversity has he decisively come back from during a fight? How often has he done that?
    How did we/have we seen him change during his career?

    Jones beat a lot of guys just as they were on the down arch of their careers.
    GSP beat a lot of 2nd generation guys
    DJ beat a lot of guys who were less proven.

    GSP is the only one of them who went up a weight class and defeated the champion there.

    Anderson Silva beat a lot of guys who were also on their way out, and a lot of guys who didn't belong in there with him, but the way he beat them was spectacular, he submitted them, he knocked them out, he delivered ground and pound and he stepped up on short notice to fight Cormier. So my answer is Silva.

    No, I don't know what the question is.
    And no I didn't even pay attention to my own questions with my rambling answer.
     
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  16. JonJonesBeard

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    Why would you discredit Jones due to his PED use, but not Silva?
     
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    I think you read those first questions with the assumption they refer to Jones and Jones only- they don't.
    If not then you'll have to clarify what I wrote which refers to Jones specifically.
     
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    Of the 3 subjects only one of them has failed a PED test.
     
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    The other one retired when real testing came to town.

    I’d go:
    1. Jon Jones
    2. DJ
    3.Void
     
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    Better recheck your history, bro.
     
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    That's a good point but Anderson failed at least one test so there's no reason to assume what you were asking.
    Saying that, I am assuming DJ and GSP were using PEDs as well.
     
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    GSP was in a direct partnership with VADA - that was the only reason he wanted them to do all his testing. There is a reason he got the fuck out of dodge once word hit the streets a new sheriff (USADA) was coming to down.

    GSP has been ducking and dodging for his survival since he was upset by Serra..

    He was supposed to rematch and defend his title against Hendricks ...he didn’t instead he vacated the welterweight belt and ran faster and further than Forrest Gump because USADA was coming on their way .... *DUCKED* ...he needed time to clean up his supplement regime....

    He took 4 years off and when he came back he didn’t come back to reclaim his welterweight title because he didn’t want anything to do with Tyrone Woodley..*DUCKED*

    During this time Anderson Silva was the king of the Middleweight Division, not only that but Silva was begging for a Super Fight with GSP - Once again GSP didn’t want anything to do with Anderson Silva so the UFC went ahead and gave Chris Weidman the shot to dethrone Silva. *DUCKED*

    Chris Weidman defeats Anderson Silva ...GSP nowhere to be found ...*DUCKED*

    Luke Rockhold takes out Chris Weidman...GSP doesn’t say one word about taking a shot at Rockhold ...*DUCKED*

    Meanwhile Tyrone Woodley is taking out Welterweight contenders like Stephen Thompson, Robbie Lawler, Damian Maia, Darren Till....Woodley states he would love to welcome GSP back for a chance to reclaim his WW title he vacated...GSP avoids any talks of a Woodley matchup..*DUCKED*

    Finally Bisping pulls off the upset knocking out Luke Rockhold to claim the Middleweight Title...guess who pops out of the woodwork looking to leap frog the entire Middleweight Division for a crack at the MW title? ...our old boy GSP ...of all the opponents in the Welterweight and Middleweight Division GSP felt Ping Ping was his best shot at cherry picking another title to add to his bullshit legacy....

    GSP manages to take out Bisping ..then once again “vacates” the title knowing there are a killers row of contenders ready to decimate his “legacy”....so GSP claims to have tummy issues due to the weight gain and needs time off....When he is healthy does he want to come reclaim his Middleweight Title? Nope! *DUCKED* entire MW Division.

    Now this guy wants to come back once again try and cherry pick another title to add to his fake legacy.....



    Now that is real history ... @JonJonesBeard@JonJonesBeard
     
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    GSP agreed to fight Anderson if Anderson would come down to his weight. It's a ridiculous notion to give Anderson credit for challenging the smaller man.
    Hendricks certainly fell off after USADA came to town, why leave that out of the equation?
    GSP not choosing to come out of retirement to fight Rockhold isn't him ducking.
    I think Woodley has a good chance of beating GSP but Woodley also took part in a series of stinkers until he finally had a convincing performance (against Till). Not coming out of retirement to challenge a dominant yet boring champion is something you're faulting GSP with?

    What's with your antipathy towards GSP? Just cause he didn't get busted for PEDs? Lots of fighters haven't but we can reasonably guess they were using, so that would be an odd thing to hold against him.
     
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  24. ENOCK

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    Lol GSP never agreed to fight Anderson not even if Silva came down...

    Why would it be rediculous to give credit to Anderson for going down to fight GSP?

    *Remember Anderson is a natural 170 - fighting the likes of Sakurai, Newton early in his Pride Career.

    Isn’t that exactly what GSP is trying to do with Khabib? Drop down to 155 to fight a smaller fighter he feels he will have a strength advantage over?

    My beef is that he doesn’t have the Warrior Spirit like Bj - Anderson - Wanderlei - Fedor - Sakuraba Nick Diaz to name a few ..fighters who had the balls to step up in weight to try and prove they are the best of the best.

    GSP was struck with fear after he was KO’d by Serra - became a straight lay and prayer ...ducked a who’s who of fighters in order to protect his legacy....what Brendan Shaun did in his grappling match against Cyborg in Metomoris is basically a shortened clip of GSP’s career.

    He has had 2 fights in 4 years since USADA came into the picture - was gifted a decision in 1 and looked average in his next fight.

    He’s trying to paint a picture like he’s an all time great and I’m not buying it...had he came back and reclaimed his welterweight title from Woodley...then moved up and took the Middleweight Title I would have given him due respect ...but because of the way he has positioned himself into fights I can’t respect that...it’s a facade ..all an illusion.
     
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    I'm pretty sure he stated publicly he would when asked for the umpteenth time about that fight.
    Yeah and I am not lauding him for doing so but if you're praising Anderson for challenging the smaller man then your position seems incoherent to me.
    He stepped up in weight and fought a bigger opponent.
    But I asked you what your issue is with the name GSP and okay, that's your thinking. I can recall all of those guys (except bj and nick) taking fights against undersized opponents and/or cans fed to them but if you don't want to look at it that way, fine, we'll agree to see things differently.
     
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