Jon Jones vs. DJ vs. GSP

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  1. HEATH VON DOOM

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  2. JonJonesBeard

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    Umm, not really.

    He asked for VADA (WADA standard) because UFC wouldn't do it. He and Hendricks both agreed to do it, Hendricks welched. GSP pressured the UFC into making Hendricks do it due to rampant PED use in the sport and they told him if he didn't like it he could leave, so he left. His leaving being related to lack of testing isn't a well guarded secret. He also underwent USADA testing for the Bisping fight and if memory serves he didn't actually "retire" and if that's the case he never would have actually stopped being tested.. So there's all of that. It's hilarous that your most stern criticism of him is that he didn't move up divisions at a time you feel was appropriate.
     
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    I was addressing it because you chose Anderson in the same post as the one where you asked how PED's would have played a factor. I believe they're probably all using, but we've all agreed that you're innocent until proven guilty. So if you haven't failed yet, you're safe.
     
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    Yeah, now I see where you're coming from on that one.
    We can agree they're innocent until proven guilty but not necessarily believe in their innocence- that's a funny one but there it is.
    Anyhow, I think do think Jones relied on PEDs more than Anderson to get to where he did. I figure this because Jones was so young when he got in to the sport and therefore suspect he got on them much earlier.
     
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    People kind of forget that Anderson wasn't really anything special until he switched camps *wink wink*.
     
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    This thread nailed it:A friendly reminder... GSP suspiciously wouldn't agree to random WADA drug testing




    E-mails detail drug testing rift with GSP, rival



    Ted Ehdhardt, Hendrick's manager:

    "A week later, GSP's attorney asked 15 or 20 questions about how WADA is going to test for this and that, how are they going to move the tests, how are they going to do this, a ton of questions," Ehrhardt said. "He wanted to have predetermined times. It's not random if you know when they're coming. He had questions about what they test for, and that's another red flag. Why do you care what they test for? If you're clean, you're clean. We didn't ask one question ...We were just ready to test WADA, that's what we wanted to do, and he didn't want to."


    Keith Kizer, head of the NSAC:

    "I let them know how we were doing it for that fight, and I told them the same thing I told those parties," said Kizer. "I said 'we do testing through this lab.' They're using the WADA list. They're using the WADA protocols. Both guys will be tested for the exact same amount of time, and they'll be tested blood and urine. That's the extent of what we're going through here because we're not going to be giving away a road map."

    Kizer clarified that everyone seemed happy with the new protocols at the end of the call: "They seemed fine with it. I answered questions they had. But as how often we'll test or how many tests or what exact tests we'll use, I'm not going to get into that. I'm not giving out that information to the people getting tested. And they seemed okay with that."

    But then, questions began to hit Kizer's inbox: "I started getting all these other questions from Team GSP. I answered them and thought it was enough. Then I got more questions from GSP. Then it got to the point where I was like, 'look ...' Taking a step back, on the phone call, I said, 'if you don't want to do additional testing that's fine. This isn't an either/or situation. If you want us to do enhanced testing, this is how you do it. It will have no basis or bearing on whether you're doing other testing, as well.



    For Kizer, it seems the questions were an attempt to determine their testing, something he eventually had enough of, "and then it got to the point where it was like, 'look, obviously it's pretty clear this isn't working. We'll do our testing on our dime, how we so choose, and let's forget about enhanced testing through the commission.'"

    "It got to the point with, as I call it, '20 questions,' with some questions I already answered asking what specific tests were going to be done," Kizer said. "We're not going to tell these athletes what specific tests we're going to be doing, because then they know what specific tests you're not doing. You don't tell them the frequency. You don't tell them the tests, obviously. There were other questions that seemed very irrelevant".







    TL;DR:
    -GSP suspiciously would only do drug testing through VADA, a company that he was affiliated with (they featured his image on their website), and weirdly claimed that he would foot the bill.

    - When the NSAC (a neutral party in the matter) offered to do the testing, using WADA protocols (much tougher than VADA, they hold samples for 12 years, and constantly retest with the latest protocols), GSP's suddenly flipped 180 degrees....... his team had a million questions about what drugs would be tested for, and would NOT agree to WADA level random drug testing, unless the testing times were pre-determined. Then after weeks of dodgy behavior, finally said they would agree to it to save face, but then suspiciously told Keith Kizer that the signing party would be completely incommunicado for 10 days, so effectively, couldnt sign the paperwork LOL,

    - GSP left the UFC the same month that NSAC enhanced testing program began, Dec. of 2013, right before UFC 168, headlined by Silva/ Weidman 2

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...Taco Bell-testing-with-ufcs-barnett-browne-/4182153/



    Why would a clean fighter duck random WADA drug testing?
     
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    So you're now taking the word of NSAC and Hendricks' management team?
     
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    Gsp hangs out with drug kingpins and 10 Foot tall juiced up guys in black shirts...

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    I’m going with Kizer and Hendricks management.
     
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    You're aware that post-USADA Hendricks was 1-5, and that NSAC is NSAC, right?
     
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    Good chance that would have been the same record Georgie Boy would have had if he continued to fight in the Welterweight Division.


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    He actually bulked up and went 1-0 at middleweight, against the champion. So there's that.
     
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    Guilty as charged
     
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    He switched from Chute Boxe (striking based) gym to BTT (BJJ based) it’s called evolving.

    That same argument could be used against GSP who would mix it up and go train with Jackson’s.

    Also I’d be more suspect of GSP who had a majority of fights in Canada where drug testing was basically non existent ..might as well had the fights on a Rez.


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    Dude, please read my initial post on this thread.
     
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    So much to pick out here but Silva is a natural 170? You mean the guy who's fought st LHW and walks around at 220 sometimes?


    1. Anderson Silva has stated that between fights he can weigh as much as 220 lbs. That's pretty amazing, considering the middleweight champion regularly competes at 185 lbs.

      Whether the massive weight cut is an advantage for Silva is debatable, as he doesn't exactly out-muscle is opponents.
    Anderson Silva, Forrest Griffin and the UFC's Biggest Weight Cutters

    And by your reasoning GSP has literally ducked every fighter in the UFC who he hasn't fought regardless or weight, gender or org.

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    You best believe if Khabib Vs. GSP goes down we gonna place some screen name/Avatar/Signature Bets ..

    GSP is going to gas hard against the little 155 Khabib ...the bully GSP will once and for all be exposed and his legacy he so worries about will be destroyed!


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    You just called a 2 division champion a bully.
     
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    When you say bully do you mean average sized for the division at best?

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    Against "little" Khabib who has missed weight how many times? How long are you going to wait before taking a shit on him and his winning streak if he doesn't move up and fight Usman or whoever?

    Khabib Nurmagomedov has no plans to chase pound-for-pound rankings or move weight classes to pursue second UFC title

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    GSP.....The longest reigning Welterweight Champion (170lbs) who grew to big for his division and decided to move up to Middleweight (185lbs) and claim that title with absolute ease......now wants to drop down and fight the itsy bitsy Lightweight (155er) Khabib “Little Eagle”....


    Sounds like a big bully trying to pick on the little small guys and take their candy (LW Belt) if you ask me......
     
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    I didn't ask you.

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    The highlighted statement undermines the rest of your post.
     
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    I’ll let this die out...because even though we both agree GSP the natty 185er is trying to bully the Small 155er Khabib ..it won’t make any difference come fight time when Khabib gasses out GSP.

    When on the sauce you lose that cardio and it will be evident when this fight goes down...

    I’m done here, I need to go make a list of new screen names for you GSP lovers.
     
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    I like how you've already built in some excuses before the fights even official (not that it's going to happen but...)

    1 PEDs
    2 Khabib is too small
    3 Potential greasing
    4 Aliens
     
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    Whoa whoa whoa...slow down big shooter ..I was saving Aliens for my big finisher!
     
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