Khabib having unstoppable wrestling is the most ridiculous lie the world has been sold on since 'Rousey can beat men'

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Saloth Sar

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You know, one day you are going to wake up and say to yourself 'how the fuck was I ever convinced that a guy who competed in Russian Touch Butt and Judo was the best wrestler in MMA, over numerous Olympic and national champion, uh, actual wrestlers?' That day will be Sunday after Gaethje smashes your boy.

You will feel like the idiot that you are. This is what people will mutter as they walk away from you.



Except they won't be a hot chick, because no hot chick would even be talking to you in the first place. Because you're an idiot.

You've been told that because a Russian Touch Butt champion managed to take down elite wrestlers like Michael Johnson, Conor McGregor and Dustin Poirier, that somehow he will be able to take down actual wrestlers. Even though a Brazilian Touch Butt guy was able to outwrestle him and your brain tries to ignore it.

Apologize for buying into nonsense marketing in this thread.

(Disclaimer: should Khabib win, it's because Gaethje's wrestling has gotten shitty and you're still an idiot).
 

RaginCajun

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Khabib is a puzzle and like every fighter that stays in the game long enough, he will be figured out. It's just the reality but everyone loves a undefeated streak so ride it while we can.
 

ender852

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Gleison Tibau outwrestled him, and should have got the nod in their fight, khabib winning was a mild robbery.
I still don't think gaethje has a chance in hell though.
 

Saloth Sar

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Gleison Tibau outwrestled him, and should have got the nod in their fight, khabib winning was a mild robbery.
I still don't think gaethje has a chance in hell though.
Tibau outwrestled him but didn't actually win the fight - this is a myth perpetuated by people who don't know how to score fights. Khabib edged him with a few strikes in an otherwise terrible fight.

This isn't about hating on Khabib. This is just recognizing that his wrestling is highly overrated by virtue of avoiding other elite wrestlers in his MMA career. It's just a fact that he has avoided elite wrestlers in the UFC. People need to learn that facts don't care about their idiotic feelings.
 

Thor Georgeos

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You know, one day you are going to wake up and say to yourself 'how the fuck was I ever convinced that a guy who competed in Russian Touch Butt and Judo was the best wrestler in MMA, over numerous Olympic and national champion, uh, actual wrestlers?' That day will be Sunday after Gaethje smashes your boy.

You will feel like the idiot that you are. This is what people will mutter as they walk away from you.



Except they won't be a hot chick, because no hot chick would even be talking to you in the first place. Because you're an idiot.

You've been told that because a Russian Touch Butt champion managed to take down elite wrestlers like Michael Johnson, Conor McGregor and Dustin Poirier, that somehow he will be able to take down actual wrestlers. Even though a Brazilian Touch Butt guy was able to outwrestle him and your brain tries to ignore it.

Apologize for buying into nonsense marketing in this thread.

(Disclaimer: should Khabib win, it's because Gaethje's wrestling has gotten shitty and you're still an idiot).
I'm conflicted because I think Khabib is horrendously over rated, but I also recognize that GSP faced the same criticisms for not having a wrestling pedigree and that wrestling in MMA is very different than wrestling as a sport. This is why guys like Yoel will never, ever reach the top of the mountain no matter how many undeserved gift title shots they're given.
 

Saloth Sar

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I'm conflicted because I think Khabib is horrendously over rated, but I also recognize that GSP faced the same criticisms for not having a wrestling pedigree and that wrestling in MMA is very different than wrestling as a sport. This is why guys like Yoel will never, ever reach the top of the mountain no matter how many undeserved gift title shots they're given.
I agree that the distinction between MMA wrestling and just wrestling pedigree is important. You need both. It's why I dismiss people who say stupid shit like 'actually, Kamal Shalorus used to wresle Iranian cab drivers. And this random Dagestan fighter Khabib fought in the C leagues was a Russian Touch Butt champion too. His MMA wrestling was so good he never made it out of the C leagues'

And this is why I still have an out if Gaethje shits the bed. He only has the pedigree, not the MMA application of it.

GSP faced Hendricks and Koshcheck. And Hughes, Fitch, Trigg, Sherk and Shields, who are better MMA wrestlers than anyone Khabib has ever beaten. Hell BJ Penn in his prime and is a better defensive MMA wrestler than anyone Khabib has ever beaten.

So I don't even know why we are talking about GSP. He has beaten plenty of quality MMA wrestlers. Khabib has beaten none.
 

Thor Georgeos

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I agree that the distinction between MMA wrestling and just wrestling pedigree is important. You need both. It's why I dismiss people who say stupid shit like 'actually, Kamal Shalorus used to wresle Iranian cab drivers. And this random Dagestan fighter Khabib fought in the C leagues was a Russian Touch Butt champion too. His MMA wrestling was so good he never made it out of the C leagues'

And this is why I still have an out if Gaethje shits the bed. He only has the pedigree, not the MMA application of it.

GSP faced Hendricks and Koshcheck. And Hughes, Fitch, Trigg, Sherk and Shields, who are better MMA wrestlers than anyone Khabib has ever beaten. Hell BJ Penn in his prime and is a better defensive MMA wrestler than anyone Khabib has ever beaten.

So I don't even know why we are talking about GSP. He has beaten plenty of quality MMA wrestlers. Khabib has beaten none.
I was just pointing out a criticism I can remember being leveled against GSP when people would say "He has the best wrestling for MMA."

As I said, Khabib went from being an incredible looking prospect when he fought Michael Johnson to somehow being the GOAT and his dad somehow became a posthumous legendary MMA coach.
 

Filthy

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Tibau outwrestled him but didn't actually win the fight - this is a myth perpetuated by people who don't know how to score fights. Khabib edged him with a few strikes in an otherwise terrible fight.

This isn't about hating on Khabib. This is just recognizing that his wrestling is highly overrated by virtue of avoiding other elite wrestlers in his MMA career. It's just a fact that he has avoided elite wrestlers in the UFC. People need to learn that facts don't care about their idiotic feelings.
he wrestled a bear, dude. who dafuq is he ducking?

you sure you're not thinking of Floyd Mayweather?
 

Nuk Soo Kow

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(Disclaimer: should Khabib win, it's because Gaethje's wrestling has gotten shitty and you're still an idiot).
This is just lame as claiming “Cowboys a better striker than Conor” then when he get beat down claim “I wasn’t wrong, Conor got better since my claim”.
 

Saloth Sar

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This is just lame as claiming “Cowboys a better striker than Conor” then when he get beat down claim “I wasn’t wrong, Conor got better since my claim”.
Incorrect. The disclaimer has clearly been issued before, not after the fight.

I am now effectively shielded from all potential backlash and am still correct no matter what the outcome is.
 

Nuk Soo Kow

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Incorrect. The disclaimer has clearly been issued before, not after the fight.

I am now effectively shielded from all potential backlash and am still correct no matter what the outcome is.
 

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It's not necessarily his Wrestling is unstoppable it's the fact ppl don't keep their back off the cage and force him to fight in the center... You don't keep your back off the cage you'll lose every time.
 

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Btw world class Wrestler and ufc fighter Mark Madsen even raves about Khabibs grappling.
 

Vagabond

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Well no one is able to stop it so far so until someone does, it’s true.

Rousey never fought men so that shit was false from the getco
 

SAJ

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Gleison Tibau outwrestled him, and should have got the nod in their fight, khabib winning was a mild robbery.
I still don't think gaethje has a chance in hell though.
All tibau did was stop the takedowns. Nothing else. Young Khabib stuck it on him for 3 rounds and rightfully won the unanimous decision
 

SAJ

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Tibau outwrestled him but didn't actually win the fight - this is a myth perpetuated by people who don't know how to score fights. Khabib edged him with a few strikes in an otherwise terrible fight.

This isn't about hating on Khabib. This is just recognizing that his wrestling is highly overrated by virtue of avoiding other elite wrestlers in his MMA career. It's just a fact that he has avoided elite wrestlers in the UFC. People need to learn that facts don't care about their idiotic feelings.
can you name an elite level wrestler at 155 that Khabib could have potentially faced during his career ?
 

ender852

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All tibau did was stop the takedowns. Nothing else. Young Khabib stuck it on him for 3 rounds and rightfully won the unanimous decision
Khabib was winging punches at nothing ala Diego Sanchez, the actual strikes landed was like dead even. Not only did tibau stop every one of khabib's takedowns, he took khabib down!
 

Tiiimmmaaayyy

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It's not necessarily his Wrestling is unstoppable it's the fact ppl don't keep their back off the cage and force him to fight in the center... You don't keep your back off the cage you'll lose every time.

I'm pretty sure I've seen you post great things about both fighters in the past. How do you see this one playing out?
 

SAJ

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Khabib was winging punches at nothing ala Diego Sanchez, the actual strikes landed was like dead even. Not only did tibau stop every one of khabib's takedowns, he took khabib down!
You don’t win a fight because you defended takedowns. Khabib had Tibau on the defence the whole fight backed up against the cage.Tibau did nothing, Khabib grinded him out. Tibau was definitely on the juice then too and still lost

It shows how good Khabib is when people have to bring up a fight from 8 years ago