General Looting n Protesting n Minneapolis

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Qat

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Nov 3, 2015
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I disagree. It's not right for us with our "more evolved" views to apply our standards to people who existed hundreds of years before us when societal norms were compeltely different.
The statues exist now though. Nobody is going to throw Columbus into prison, they just don't want him to be glorified.

And unless the statues were build in the same timeframe the people lived, the same argument you just made can be applied to builders of statues as well.
Because then both acts of building it and tearing it down are revisionism.

At one point in time people think he should have a statue, at another point not. Maybe in 200 years people will build him a new one, who knows. That is how it goes.

Your opinion is he should have one, and that is okay.
People today like to pretend that we're finished making mistakes and that simply couldn't be farther from the truth.
Not sure who is pretending that, but of course that would be a false assumption.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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Jul 22, 2015
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The statues exist now though.
The conversation we're having is because they're being removed.

Nobody is going to throw Columbus into prison, they just don't want him to be glorified.
Having a statue does not equate to glorification, simply memorial.

Because then both acts of building it and tearing it down are revisionism.
Not quite, no. In this case one was built because he did some important shit, and this point their being torn down regardless of how important his accomplishments might have been.

Not sure who is pretending that, but of course that would be a false assumption.
Anyone who advocates memorial removal based on their own moving of the goal posts is pretending that. There very likely will come a time in which society will deem it deplorable that anyone ever used a fossil fuel. consumed the flesh of an animal, or God forbid kept them enslaved as "pets". Does that mean every great accomplishment we make now should be marginalized because we breached some moral code that we couldn't possibly have known was coming? Of course not, just the idea of it is completely ridiculous.
 

Splinty

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This appears to be the statue


DEDICATED TO THE
CITY OF BALTIMORE
BY THE
ITALIAN AMARICAN
ORGANIZATION UNITED
OF MARYLAND
AND THE ITALIAN
AMERICAN COMMUNITY
OF BALTIMORE
IN COMMEMORATION OF
THE DISCOVERY OF AMERICA
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OCTOBER 12 1984
WILLIAM DONALD SCHAEFER
MAYOR OF BALTIMORE​

Annotation
The monument, dedicated on October 8, 1984 by then Mayor of Baltimore William Donald Schaefer and President Ronald Reagan, is a result of a city-wide fundraising campaign by the Italian American Organizations United of Maryland under the leadership of Anthony Piccinini. For detail photos of the reliefs and the inscription, see Bill Swartwout's web page
 

Yossarian

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A statue does not adoration make. He was an incredibly important figure in the history of western civlization and has a mixed legacy. Not exactly a prime candidate for wiping from the history records.
Exactly. I think Columbus is a cunt, and a statue is meh. But erasing history; statues is where it starts...
 

Yossarian

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The conversation we're having is because they're being removed.



Having a statue does not equate to glorification, simply memorial.



Not quite, no. In this case one was built because he did some important shit, and this point their being torn down regardless of how important his accomplishments might have been.



Anyone who advocates memorial removal based on their own moving of the goal posts is pretending that. There very likely will come a time in which society will deem it deplorable that anyone ever used a fossil fuel. consumed the flesh of an animal, or God forbid kept them enslaved as "pets". Does that mean every great accomplishment we make now should be marginalized because we breached some moral code that we couldn't possibly have known was coming? Of course not, just the idea of it is completely ridiculous.
The removal of things will not stop. They'd want a clean and perfect Utopia where bad things do not occur or exist. They create this narrative we are victims, victims of history. Once, a self-proclaimed victim, your actions are always justified. Tear things down, defund first repsonders, go on that high-way with the confidence of Mozes parting the sea. There are no consequences for you... you are on the good side, you are a victim.