Society Maybe the greatest conspiracy in US history keeps on giving

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  1. ENOCK

    ENOCK Ephesians 6:12 - KJV

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    Fantastic post!

    Also just remembered ....after reading your thread/post on the Grindr a year or two ago you hand mentioned the book October Surprise so I had went out and gave it a read ...love your material @Daglord@Daglord


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  2. regular john

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    thanks. Can you take pictures of the whole book and post it like that?

    I was reading the Texas connection book online but it suddenly cut, it was one of the most depressing things ever.

    cant find it anywhere else either. The last circle I can find- but it isn’t exactly about the murder is it?
     
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  3. Daglord

    Daglord Well-Known Member

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    JFK? no.

    Texas Connection PDF: Box

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  4. regular john

    regular john Interim Champion

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    Oh thank you! it isn’t opening here though - says the link or folder has been removed.
     
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  5. Daglord

    Daglord Well-Known Member

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    sorry about that, opening fine here.

    just tried it again. odd.
     
  6. regular john

    regular john Interim Champion

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    do I need to login or something?
     
  7. Daglord

    Daglord Well-Known Member

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    nope. I just click & it loads.
     
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  9. regular john

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    Oh yeah thanks mate! I think it could be this annoying safari browser that was bugging me but you did the trick now. Thanks both of you you are the cutest!
     
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  10. Kneeblock

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    I think adding the JFK stuff to this causes it to get a bit muddled because there are so many theories out there about it that it almost always gets poisoned once you fall down the rabbit hole. The JFK assassination is the big prize everyone wants to be right about so the theories range from secret teams to the CIA to Hoover to the mob to LBJ to Cuba to all of them together etc. With so much noise around "the truth," whatever it is, tidy explanations become convenient.

    In the case of Iran/Contra and its tentacles, we have multiple sources of confirmation at this point from a combination of investigative journalism, historical and political science research, FOIAed government documents to interviews with people in the administration by Congress and elsewhere. That's not to privilege the so called official record, but again, I believe the goal of this type of inquiry should be falsification, that is, to try to prove your hypotheses wrong over and over again until they stand up to testing.

    Something to remember about Bush Sr. Is that even though he was with the agency, most accounts of his time there suggest he wasn't viewed as "with" the agency. He was largely a Washington guy who was tied into the Texas money and who many of the insiders involved in other verified operations regarded as someone mostly trying to pad his resume. His tenure at the CIA was during a transitional period when they were meant to be cleaning up after a series of disastrous revelations and he was seen by the agency as a safe enough pick that wouldn't interfere much. He was only director for about a year in any case.

    As for his son, much of his administration came from a very different wing of the Republican party that HW himself wasn't even a part of and didn't much care for. While the oil ties certainly stayed intact, the CIA wasn't crazy about how much light the activist neocons were bringing to their operations and Tenet obviously is now on record as having felt like after 9/11 they were co-opted by ideologues that didn't see the post-Cold War order they were trying to maintain. This is why many 9/11 conspiracies are also noisy and unpersuasive because many in the intelligence services regarded the whole thing as a major annoyance that reshuffled so many decks, caused administrative upheaval and interrupted plenty of personal projects. On the upside it opened up massive troves of spending and new legal powers the spooks had long craved, but the new bureaucracy that came with it had a lot of their own demands.

    Oddly, it's under Trump, the guy who ran on swamp draining, that many of the old heads have found their way back into the action, likely because they saw an opening since he knew so little about government and they pounced.

    Anyway, a lot of good stuff in this thread whose premises are worth looking into.
     
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  11. Daglord

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    I have always figured Bush Sr. to be with the agency, even moreso than we were led to believe.

    from Zapata itself being started by both him & Devine as a "commercial cover" for CIA activities, to "Mr. George Bush of the CIA" calling in his suspicions of James Parrot in 63, then his being named director without (allegedly) having any previous experience.

    interesting note: Reagan/Bush campaign posters were littering the CIA halls in an unprecedented display during the 80 election, torn in half to only show "Bush".

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  12. Daglord

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    you guys might dig this, Mae Brussell on Bush & the Reagan Assassination attempt:


    * Hinckley/Bush family connections. reported dinner meeting that night between the brothers of both Hinckley & Bush. Hinckley big donors to Bush campaign when running against Reagan. Hinckley family business under DOJ scrutiny at the time of shooting. both Neil (the dinner date) & George Bush initially lied about knowing the family, Neil's wife later admitted to Hinckley's brother having been to their house.

    * Hinckley's trial was presided over by Judge Barrington Parker - Bush's first appointment as a federal judge & notoriously known as "CIA friendly".

    * Hinckley's attorney was EB Williams, also a "CIA friendly" lawyer who had defended CIA director Richard Helms just a few years earlier absolving them of any responsibility for the assassination of Orlando Leterlier.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/arch...5e0-a838-8feb4200fbb9/?utm_term=.9dd41124c502

    * Gov Clements, from TX, criticized the media for digging too far into the Hinckley family stating it could "ruin Texas". He was also one of Bush's first appointments to his new 'Crisis Management team' overseeing the investigation. the same crisis team that declared "no conspiracy" within hours of the shooting.

    * Hinckley was reported to have discussed a grand conspiracy to assassinate Reagan in papers that were seized after a raid of his cell. when released he was barred from talking to the media & followed by SS recording his every move.

    HINCKLEY REPORTED TO DISCUSS 'CONSPIRACY' IN SEIZED PAPERS

    * before the shooting, it was reported than Hinckley went to the same donut shop outside his hotel & waited for a phone call on a payphone every day - even though he had a phone in his room. the nature of the calls was never known.


    she had called it 11 days earlier, but fingered Haig instead of Bush.

    Originally broadcast March 28, 1981.


     
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