Mayweather brought in controversial S&C trainer Alex Ariza for this camp... Possible PED use?

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Greek777

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This is a long read.. but IMO, it's very interesting, and I want to talk about it with you guys. To me, I always say... where there's smoke, there's fire. I'll try to explain as best I can without going too crazy, but if you can take the 5 minutes to read this, please do.

It's related to Mayweather's S&C coach he brought in specifically for this fight, Alex Ariza.

Alex Ariza is a very VERY controversial figure in the boxing world. Not only have many, including Victor Conte, called him out in public for supplying his athletes with PEDs.. He has had a long history of working with guys who were clearly using. In fact, Mayweather himself made the same accusations toward him multiple times, as recently as just one year ago.

Below, you can read what Mayweather had to say himself about the man who he later hired for his own training camp. They started working together in late 2014, and the comments posted below were from May of the same year, about 6 months prior

Interesting to note: Ariza was Manny Pacquiao's S&C coach during his prime years, when Manny was at his best, and refused random drug testing against Mayweather in 2009, the sole reason the fight fell apart back then.

One thing I have to say, is that Floyd looked to be in better shape, physically, than ever in his career. He has always been a physical specimen, though... His life has revolved around this since he was young. Floyd is a known gym rat who trains even when he has no fight scheduled, and has never had a sip of alcohol.

But this is the reality.. Floyd is 38 years old now. Not 28.. He's near 40. No matter who you are.. at 38, your body is not the same. It's not producing the same levels of testosterone, especially after a life time of grueling training and getting hit in the head.

Floyd knew this was the most important fight of his career... We're talking hundreds of millions here.. Floyd is a 38 year old boxer who said multiple times in the build up to this fight, that it's harder and harder to get in the gym and train every day like he used to - due to the wear and tear on his body, and age catching up to him.

I don't know man... When you got a guy with that kind of reputation.. why would you even bring him into your camp, no matter how good he is, if it's not for the reasons suspected?

The thing is, Mayweather was blood tested a TON leading up to this fight and all others... but with someone like Ariza, who works at the absolute highest level, you just don't know. Even Victor Conte says Ariza is able to get around the tests with cutting edge gear - the same way Conte was back when he came up with "the clear" testosterone cream that enabled baseball players to hit record numbers year after year





At such a high level of the game.. with not just millions, but HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS at stake in a fight like this? Consider that, consider Ariza's reputation.. and just ask yourself, why? What would the reason be?

There are plenty of strength and nutrition gurus out there, who do not have so much controversy attached to themselves the way Ariza does. Floyd did not use him for his entire career.. Why now? Why now, when not even a year ago, Floyd made comments blasting Ariza and accusing his fighters of being on PEDs, as seen below

Here is where it REALLY gets interesting.


Floyd was quick to point the finger at him and claim he was the man supplying and coming up with the PED regimen that both Manny and Maidana were on.

Here are quotes from Floyd himself on Ariza, less than 12 months ago... Remember. This is the man Floyd hired in his training camp for this fight... If he suspected him to be dirty, and went as far as publicly claiming so, why would he bring him in?

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Floyd Mayweather skeptical of Alex Ariza's influence on Marcos Maidana - Bad Left Hook

Mayweather (45-0, 26 KO) faces Marcos Maidana (35-3, 31 KO) on May 3 on Showtime pay-per-view, but Mayweather sounds a little skeptical of his opponent, noting his association with Alex Ariza, the former strength and conditioning coach for both Manny Pacquiao and Amir Khan, among other fighters.

"I don't have anything against anyone, but I noticed that when the guy, Alex Ariza, was in Amir Khan's corner and when he faced Maidana, Amir Khan looked super strong in that fight," Mayweather said on a media conference call yesterday.

"Then you go back and look at it, I go look at Maidana's fights against certain guys, like when he fought Alexander, he was strong, he was still coming ahead because he's the kind of guy that comes straight ahead, and liked the looped shots. He wasn't as strong as he was in the Adrien Broner fight. In the Adrien Broner fight he was a lot stronger than he was in a lot of his past fights."

Floyd continued, "I don't know if Alex Ariza plays a major role into that, but when I sit back and I look, I'm looking at Pacquiao versus Bradley and I notice ever since Ariza has not been with Pacquiao anymore there's been a total change in his power."

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What do you guys think about this? If Floyd felt that way about a guy who is known to be dirty.. Why bring him into your camp? Why make those comments, and then employ the guy a year later? What exactly could Ariza bring to the table that any other S&C coach could not? Knowing that.. unless it was specifically for PEDs, what exactly is there to gain by having him in your camp?

I just think this is bizarre.

Sorry for the long read guys, but I thought this was something that should be posted and read about. I'd like to see feedback and thoughts from TMC.

Oh yeah, and Floyd is right. Even since Ariza left Manny's camp, Manny has never looked the same.. and that's undeniable
 

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Here's some even weirder shit. Ariza and Pacquiao's camp had a falling out a while ago... and since then, including just last month, Freddie Roach flipped the script and accused Floyd of being on PEDs, due to the enlistment of Ariza to his camp. Not only that, after Ariza left the camp, Freddie famously said he was a "shady guy" who would give Manny "mixed workout drinks that I knew nothing about"... Here's some quotes

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WHAT'S THE TRUTH BEHIND FREDDIE ROACH, ALEX ARIZA, MANNY PACQUIAO AND THE MYSTERY DRINK?|| FIGHTHYPE.COM

Freddie: in January 2014, when Ariza's fighter Brandon Rios tested positive after facing Pacquiao, post Ariza/Pac split -

"I know he [Brandon Rios] has a new strength coach [Alex Ariza] and I don't get along with the guy, and one of the reasons why he doesn't work for me anymore is because I think he's a little shady, you know.

He used to give Manny a drink every day before we worked out and I asked him, 'What's in that drink,' and he would never tell me. And I said, 'I need to know what's in that drink because, you know, you're giving it to my fighter and if something goes wrong, I'm gonna get the blame.' In my opinion, he's a little shady,"

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Quotes from just one month ago, where Roach accuses Floyd of PED use due to his alignment with Ariza:

Roach Blasts Mayweather With PED Accusation

Roach, on the other hand, as he blasts Mayweather with a PED accusation, appears increasingly unhinged and angry.

This curious role reversal has many scratching their heads. While Roach has made a habit of mean-spirited, bully-talk and of thinking out loud and perhaps saying things he later regretted (e.g. implying that Alex Ariza was putting something illegal in Pacquiao’s drinks), he appears to have pushed the envelope a bit far even by his liberal standards.

In a post-press conference interview, and later in camp, Roach not-so-subtly implied that Mayweather was on some form of PEDs, saying, “Well, sometimes I see pimples on [Mayweather’s] back and I wonder why. . . if someone needs to cheat to win, it’s not worth it.” For those who know PED-talk, these are fighting words.

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Just very bizarre, again, considering that Ariza worked with Manny during the best years of his career 2007-12 - when he was up almost 35 lbs in weight, if not more, from his early days of success in the US. Manny won the 108 lb titles early in his career, later moving up and winning the 122 and 130 lb titles as well. That was when his long ascent to the top of the sport began, and also around the time he started working with Ariza.

Let's say Manny was a natural 122 lb guy - considering he started at the 108 class, while young and poor, malnourished, etc.

Manny weighed in for this fight, on the night of, at 152. During the peak of his career, when he was facing bigger guys like De La Hoya and Hatton, he would come in shredded at around 145 for his WW fights.

Either way - Manny added a LOT of body mass % when you consider his height, weight and frame when he first started to win titles and box at a high level. To win your first title at 108 lbs, in 1999.. and then in 2009, you're winning titles at light middleweight (147-154) a decade later? That's a lot of mass to put onto someone who was born so naturally thin...

Ironically, once Ariza left Manny's camp, so did Manny's power, knockout ability and speed. Ariza left Manny before his losses that we all know about, and look at how he has been since.

I do believe Manny was under heavy usage during the peak of his career, when you consider the mass gaining, while retaining RIDICULOUS speed and power, if not more than he had at lighter weights. When you factor in Ariza, and the fact random testing was the SOLE hold up to getting this fight done in 2009? It does not seem good.

Now, when you consider everything I have written here, and look at what Floyd HIMSELF said about Ariza last year, and in the past....

Why the fuck is Floyd hiring him, if not for the obvious reason?
 

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To anyone interested.. Please take the time to read what I wrote in both posts. I'm sure you read articles shorter than that daily.. and I tried to pack this with as much information as possible.

The timing of everything, it's all very shady and fascinating. I think there is a lot to be read between the lines, and even though I believe Floyd has been clean in the past.. Bringing Ariza in for this fight, at age 38, raises a lot of eye brows

You have to read the various quotes back and forth from Mayweather, where he claimed himself that he thinks Ariza supplies people with PEDs (before hiring him).. and Roach's quotes about Ariza's work with Floyd.

Please take the time to check it out and let me know what you guys think of this. Can you imagine if Floyd failed a test for this fight, but the NSAC didn't release it until afterward (ala Jones/DC, Silva/Diaz) so the fight stayed on, earning Nevada an unimaginable amount of money?

If they let Jones/DC and Silva/Diaz slip through the cracks until the fight was over - should we really believe they'd cancel the biggest fight in history and miss out on that pay day?

If that were to happen.. I'm sure a rematch would be made, even more controversial and bigger than ever.

You just never know. I highly doubt Floyd will test positive, though, even if he was on something.
 

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^^^^extremely good post Greek777 @Galanis , never thought/heard about this (but should qualify, don't follow boxing as much as back in the day) and it it is extremely interesting.
 

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Maybe that's why he's relinquishing his belts before everything comes out..hmmmm..good post G..
 

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Galanis raising some interesting questions, for sure. Can you imagine the shit storm if Floyd got busted for PEDS? Would the NSAC be bought off to avoid it ever being made public?
 

Left Hook Larry

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What about the T:E ratio stuff? It doesn't "prove" someone is using gear but it at least gives you an inclination as to whether or not a guy is using some top secret stuff if he's passing all the tests. I could be wrong tho.
 
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What about the T:E ratio stuff? It doesn't "prove" someone is using gear but it at least gives you an inclination as to whether or not a guy is using some top secret stuff if he's passing all the tests. I could be wrong tho.
lots of peds/roids have no influence on the T/E ratio
 

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In my opinion all athletes use PEDs.

I remember an ex Olympic drug tester saying that for every new compound they develop a test for, the cheaters just invent another 10 ways to get round it. Then while they are working on detecting the next the one another 10 ways have been developed to get past testing while substantially enhancing performace. It's an impossible battle to win and that they should just legalise doping. Only those who are careless get caught.

I'm not sure where I stand on the legalising issue but the fact that there are are just so many ways to cheat without being detected means it's certain in my mind that no-one is clean. Especially when I see all these incredible new records being set and athletes seeming to have unlimted or unbelievible levels of stamina that we haven't really seen before. I have particulary noticed this in another favourite sport of mine Tennis in the 21st century.

However because I believe everyone does it I don't hold it against anyone. There is a reason the saying 'cheat or be cheated' came about.