Society Members Of A Far-Right Men’s Group Violently Beat Up Protesters And Weren’t Arrested. New York Polic

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KWingJitsu

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So are you saying that being discriminatory is a cornerstone of libertarianism,
Nope.
or that people who are discriminatory and claim to be libertarians don't understand what libertarianism actually is?
Close, but .. nope.

My point isn't about discrimination. It's about the people who are flocking to libertarainism with their own ideologies and trying to rewrite what libertarianism actually is.
 

Freeloading Rusty

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Well like I said, it would depend on the usage - was he knowingly directing it at a homosexual? Was he using it in that way? Or did it just slip out from "muscle memory"?

To use Yossarian @Yossarian scenario, if a white guy is beating up another white guy and drops the N-bomb while doing so, is a hate crime being committed?

We've both used the F-word while arguing a point... are we homophobic? I'm asking these questions rhetorically because I don't expect an answer from you lol
If the word fagggot is used to an extent it is ingrained into muscle memory, you should refrain from publicly claiming to be anti-homophobic.

No one said anything about hate crimes. I just pointed out the hypocrisy of the Proud Boys claims you posted.

Next you will be arguing, just cuz you suck dick, it doesn’t mean you’re queer.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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My point isn't about discrimination. It's about the people who are flocking to libertarainism with their own ideologies and trying to rewrite what libertarianism actually is.
I thought that's what you might have been eluding to, but it was a little unclear. If the baggage they're bringing is discriminatory it immediately DQ's them from being libertarians.
 

Freeloading Rusty

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True. But when a Louis CK uses it in a bit, everybody laughs. While we recognize context, some ignore it in order to support their ppinion. In short, we know that the use of the word, big meanie, does not imply homophobia.
In one example someone is intentionally trying to push the envelope, be controversial and it’s comedy.

In the other example, someone is shouting it with intent to harm as they violently assault their victim.

Hard to compare the two examples.
 

Freeloading Rusty

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Proud Boy Who Allegedly Threw First Punch At Protesters Charged With Felony Gang Assault
A Proud Boys member who prosecutors said helped start a street fight between the group and protesters has been arrested, along with two more alleged members of the group.

Maxwell Hare, 26, charged at protesters and “threw the first punch,” triggering “an unrelenting and savage attack” by 10 Proud Boys on four anti-fascist protesters, Assistant District Attorney Jamie Kleidman said Monday night at Hare’s arraignment in Manhattan Criminal Court.

After “repeatedly striking” one protester, Hare “started kicking and swinging at another individual,” Kleidman added. When others “tried to pull this defendant away from the Antifa members he was attacking, he broke free and ran back over to continue his vicious assault.”

“This defendant was the most violent attacker of the Proud Boys and their associates,” and it was all captured by video, Kleidman said.

Hare surrendered to the NYPD Monday and was charged with riot and attempted gang assault in the first degree, according to the criminal complaint against him. He was released on $35,000 bond by Judge Ann Thompson.



Douglas Lennan (William Miller / Pool)
Suspects Irvin Antillon and Douglas Lennan also surrendered Monday. Lennan, 40, was charged with attempted third degree assault, and released on $3,500 bond. Antillion was charged with riot and attempted assault, and held in lieu of $3,502 bail (he had two open warrants for which he was given a bail of $1 each).

Antillon, a 41-year-old Queens resident, appears to be the member of a primarily Latino skinhead crew Battalion 49 who was interviewed by VICE in 2012. Identified by VICE only by his first name, Irvin, he went on to attend the deadly Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville as a member of the Proud Boys-affiliated group the Fraternal Order of Alt-Knights, according to the Southern Poverty Law Center.

Attorneys for the trio said they acted only in self-defense.

Ronald Hart, who represented Hare and Lennan, said “it was the Antifa group that started this,” and called the encounter a “case of clear self defense.”

Antifa members, Hart said, “went out looking for a fight, they caused the fight and the ruckus.”

Similarly, Antillion’s attorney, Joanne Dwyer, said he acted only in “defense of self as well defense of others in this case.”



Irvin Antillion (Jefferson Seigel / Pool)
That brings the total number of Proud Boys arrested thus far to five, including John Kinsman, a World Trade Center steel inspector who was arrested Friday and held overnight before being released Saturday on $15,000 bail; and Geoffrey Young, a roofer who was released on his own recognizance Friday afternoon.

Meanwhile, the NYPD confirmed to Gothamist that it is conducting a broad criminal inquiry into the Proud Boys organization.

The group, which is exclusively male, believes in the supremacy of Western culture and seeks to turn back the clock to a pre-feminist social order. Prosecutors have called the Proud Boys a “far-right” organization; they are labeled a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center.

The fight between Proud Boys and anti-fascist protesters occurred after Proud Boys founder Gavin McInnes spoke at the Metropolitan Republican Club on October 12th. When the event was over, McInnes departed by car while the remaining Proud Boys and associates left on foot, directed by NYPD officers to walk south on the east side of Park Avenue.

Meanwhile, six protesters evaded police—who were trying to keep the two groups separated—and circled the block onto 82nd Street, in an attempt to intercept the Proud Boys who were marching down Park Avenue, prosecutors have said.

When Hare and other Proud Boys saw the protesters, they moved down 82nd Street to confront them, at first walking then charging, Kleidman said. Video taken by independent video-journalist Sandi Bachom captures the charge, which begins with a Proud Boy yelling "Ready?! Proud Boys!"

There are four “degrees” of Proud Boy membership, McInnes, the Proud Boy leader, has said. To reach the fourth and final level, a Proud Boy must get into "a major fight for the cause," McInnes told Metro in 2017. "You get beat up, kick the crap out of an antifa," and possibly get arrested, he said.

Proud Boys who win fights are celebrated in a section of the group’s online magazine, and cheered with a slogan: “They fucked around. They found out.”



(JB Nicholas)
 

Freeloading Rusty

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3 more Proud Boys members arrested for violent NYC brawl
Three more members of the far-right group known as the Proud Boys were arrested and charged on Monday, more than a week after a violent brawl on the streets of Manhattan. The New York Police Department had already arrested two other Proud Boy members in connection to the melee.

Police arrested Irvin Antillon, 41, of Queens, New York, and Douglas Lennan, 40, of Northport, New York, on charges of riot and assault, the NYPD said Monday. A third man, Maxwell Hare, 26, of Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, has been charged with gang assault, assault, riot and criminal possession of a weapon.

The Proud Boys' founder and leader, Gavin McInnes, previously said he had been arranging the surrender of members wanted by the NYPD.

John Kinsman, 39, was arrested Friday morning. He was charged with attempted gang assault, attempted assault, riot and criminal possession of a weapon. At his arraignment, prosecutors called Kinsman the "single most vicious" member of Proud Boys, the New York Post reported.

The NYPD said it had been seeking the arrest of up to nine Proud Boys in connection to the brawl after McInnes' speech at the Metropolitan Republican Club on Oct. 12. Geoffrey Young, 38, was arrested Thursday.

The NYPD told The New York Times last week that it had opened a "regular criminal investigation" into the group.

The altercation between the Proud Boys members and anti-fascist protesters, or antifa, broke out about a block away when six people dressed in black and wearing masks confronted Proud Boys members, NYPD's Chief of Detectives Dermot Shea said Oct 15. One of those dressed in black threw a bottle at the Proud Boys group and a fight ensued for about 38 seconds until uniformed officers intervened.

In a separate incident that night, police said three protesters were arrested after allegedly stealing a backpack from a man.

Slurs and expletives can be heard in video showing the fight, as men kicked and punched several protesters on the sidewalk. The NYPD released footage showing the altercation from an alternate angle in hopes of identifying the participants.
 

DiSmAnTLeR

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For anyone that wants to read up on The Proudboys and Gavin Mcinnis.
“His fanbase are also Nazis. Their leader was posting nazism content and was a contributor to a few white supremacist article websites, such as American Renaissance, VDare and Rebel Media (Left Rebel Media after they fired their White Supremacist Writers).“

I always have a chuckle when people equate Rebel Media with Nazis considering who their founder and self proclaimed ‘rebel commander’ is.

“Ezra Isaac Levant (born 1972) is a Canadian media personality, conservative political activist, writer, and broadcaster. He is the founder and former publisher of the Western Standard, a former columnist for Sun Media, and former host of a daily program on the Sun News Network from the channel's inception in 2011 until its demise in 2015. In February 2015, he founded The Rebel Media website and YouTube channel and is its main contributor.“



View: https://youtu.be/trpa4tEK5ms
 

DiSmAnTLeR

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Since I know a few will not pick up what I’m laying down...

Levant was born to a Jewish family[2] in Calgary, Alberta, on February 19, 1972. He holds a commerce degree from the University of Calgary and a law degree from the University of Alberta. Levant is of Jewish descent.[3] His great-grandfather emigrated to Canada in 1903 from Russia to establish a homestead near Drumheller, Alberta.[4] Levant grew up in a suburb of Calgary. He attended a Jewish day school in his childhood before transferring to a public junior high school.
 

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“His fanbase are also Nazis. Their leader was posting nazism content and was a contributor to a few white supremacist article websites, such as American Renaissance, VDare and Rebel Media (Left Rebel Media after they fired their White Supremacist Writers).“

I always have a chuckle when people equate Rebel Media with Nazis considering who their founder and self proclaimed ‘rebel commander’ is.

“Ezra Isaac Levant (born 1972) is a Canadian media personality, conservative political activist, writer, and broadcaster. He is the founder and former publisher of the Western Standard, a former columnist for Sun Media, and former host of a daily program on the Sun News Network from the channel's inception in 2011 until its demise in 2015. In February 2015, he founded The Rebel Media website and YouTube channel and is its main contributor.“



View: https://youtu.be/trpa4tEK5ms
These are the same people who call kippah-wearing Ben Shapiro a Nazi. Everyone right of Bernie Sanders is a Nazi.