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HEATH VON DOOM

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Hitler broke the neutrality pact.
Hitler broke the neutrality pact between Japan and Russia? Russia waited till the very end to declare war with japan. Didn't the Japanese stop at the Russian borders when they were making their way through China and Mongolia?
 

Yossarian

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Hitler broke the neutrality pact between Japan and Russia? Russia waited till the very end to declare war with japan. Didn't the Japanese stop at the Russian borders when they were making their way through China and Mongolia?
It's confusing but both pacts were broken yes. If Japan did invade Russia at the time, the Soviets would not have been strong enough to hold them back. The war would've looked entirely different.
 

Leigh

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The H bombs were a necessity. It was either that or face an allied causality rate into the hundreds of thousands. Not to mention probably a million+ Japanese casualties.

The Japanese showed no quarter throughout the war when they would behead POW's, rape and murder civilians etc so none was showed to them.

WW2 was an absolutely brutal war that should forever serve as a reminder to always try to work things out through diplomatic channels.
There was a third option; accept their conditional surrender.

But as I said before, meh. Fuck Imperial Japan.
 

Lord Vutulaki

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Maybe a worse case was, having the Americans leave, and the Russians invade Japan. Plenty of room in the Gulags.
So the Japanese were saved from the gulags by god damn USA American Atomic bombs?


Edit - disregard i took you out of context
 
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Lord Vutulaki

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Oh and guys we've been calling H bombs but it appears that they were Atomic bombs.

Also this business about no one anticipating the damage? The Abomb replicates nuclear fision and was already tested in new Mexico in the trinity tests.

So Wikipedia tells me. Trinity was in July 45 Hiroshima was a month later.
 

Leigh

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Oh and guys we've been calling H bombs but it appears that they were Atomic bombs.

Also this business about no one anticipating the damage? The Abomb replicates nuclear fision and was already tested in new Mexico in the trinity tests.

So Wikipedia tells me. Trinity was in July 45 Hiroshima was a month later.
That's correct. The first nukes were dirty fission bombs, using radioactive material at critical mass to create a chain reaction.

H bombs are fusion bombs, creating a chain reaction by fusing hydrogen atoms to create helium. It should be a lot cleaner except they generally use a fission stage to kick start the fusion.

Yes, the trinity test let them know what was going to happen. There was a bit if speculation, from nothing to igniting the atmosphere, but they generally knew the amount if energy that was going to be released.
 

Sweets

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So the evidence indicates that the Japanese military wasn't a threat at all and the American military could have left but decided to nuke them twice?
Their navy had been eradicated or penned in. Although they were entrenched in spots they had no capacity to coordinate any large strategic offensive.

Basically they were fucked barring a clean up job. It's on that clean up job the propaganda for dropping the bombs hangs. The bombs were of no military significance, the only aims they achieved were psychological.
 

Lord Vutulaki

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That's correct. The first nukes were dirty fission bombs, using radioactive material at critical mass to create a chain reaction.

H bombs are fusion bombs, creating a chain reaction by fusing hydrogen atoms to create helium. It should be a lot cleaner except they generally use a fission stage to kick start the fusion.

Yes, the trinity test let them know what was going to happen. There was a bit if speculation, from nothing to igniting the atmosphere, but they generally knew the amount if energy that was going to be released.

Yeah excess energy from fusion is how the sun emitslight yeah? 4 hydrogen atoms become 3 helium atoms? To put it crudely?

Wanna see who can recite the periodic table faster? Im good up to neon lol
 

Leigh

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Yeah excess energy from fusion is how the sun emitslight yeah? 4 hydrogen atoms become 3 helium atoms? To put it crudely?

Wanna see who can recite the periodic table faster? Im good up to neon lol
2 hydrogen atoms (1 proton each) fuse to create 1 helium atom (2 protons).

Yes the sun is an example of nuclear fission.
 

Priziesthorse

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All these posts when all that needs to be said is Truman unzipped his pants, took out his big ole star spangled dick, and waived it at the Soviets to let them know that like the Wu Tang Clan, the USA ain't nuttin to fuck wit.
 

lookoutawhale

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All these posts when all that needs to be said is Truman unzipped his pants, took out his big ole star spangled dick, and waived it at the Soviets to let them know that like the Wu Tang Clan, the USA ain't nuttin to fuck wit.
haha love the display pic changes. :sweatsmile:
 

Yossarian

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Why do people keep saying "H-Bombs?"

It's simply not a correct description of Fat Man (replica pictured) or Little Boy, the two ATOMIC bombs dropped on Japan to end WWII. They were both A-Bombs.

The first hyrdrogen bomb was tested in 1949.




Fat Man - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Atomic Bomb vs. Hydrogen Bomb - Compare Side by Side | reComparison

Thanks for the correction. I've always used the terms indiscriminately thinking they were of similar kind.