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A short thought on the, "it's too complex for our current science, thus that proves design". This is a common appeal in the videos in this thread.



Angraecum sesquipedale is best known within the botany community for its association with the naturalist Charles Darwin. After being sent several flowers of A. sesquipedale by James Bateman,[31] Darwin noted the defining characteristic of the species, its extremely long spur.[32] From his observations, Darwin surmised, in his 1862 publication On the Various Contrivances by Which British and Foreign Orchids Are Fertilized by Insects, and On the Good Effects of Intercrossing, that there must be a pollinator moth with a proboscis long enough to reach the nectar at the end of the spur. He arrived at this conclusion after attempting in vain to remove the pollinia of the flower using needles and bristles. Only after placing a cylinder with a diameter of 1⁄10 of an inch (2.5 mm) down the full length of the spur was he able to detach the pollinia upon retracting it. The viscidium attached to the cylinder as he removed it. Darwin surmised that during the moth's attempt at getting the nectar at the end of the spur, the moth would get the pollinarium attached to itself.[33] The next orchid it visited would then be pollinated in the same manner.[34]

For some time after this prediction the notion of a pollinator with a 35 cm long proboscis was ridiculed and generally not believed to exist.[35][36] After Darwin's publication, George Campbell, 8th Duke of Argyll published a book in 1867 titled, The Reign of Law, in which he argued that the complexity of this species implied that it was created by a supernatural being.[37] Alfred Russel Wallace replied in the same year with a paper he titled "Creation by Law", setting out in detail a sequence through which the moth and the flower could have coevolved with no guidance other than natural selection.[38]

In 1903, such a moth was discovered in Madagascar by Walter Rothschild and Karl Jordan.[39][40] This confirmed Darwin's prediction. The moth was named Xanthopan morganii praedicta.
 
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A short thought on the, "it's too complex for our current science, thus that proves design". This is a common appeal in the videos in this thread.



Angraecum sesquipedale is best known within the botany community for its association with the naturalist Charles Darwin. After being sent several flowers of A. sesquipedale by James Bateman,[31] Darwin noted the defining characteristic of the species, its extremely long spur.[32] From his observations, Darwin surmised, in his 1862 publication On the Various Contrivances by Which British and Foreign Orchids Are Fertilized by Insects, and On the Good Effects of Intercrossing, that there must be a pollinator moth with a proboscis long enough to reach the nectar at the end of the spur. He arrived at this conclusion after attempting in vain to remove the pollinia of the flower using needles and bristles. Only after placing a cylinder with a diameter of 1⁄10 of an inch (2.5 mm) down the full length of the spur was he able to detach the pollinia upon retracting it. The viscidium attached to the cylinder as he removed it. Darwin surmised that during the moth's attempt at getting the nectar at the end of the spur, the moth would get the pollinarium attached to itself.[33] The next orchid it visited would then be pollinated in the same manner.[34]

For some time after this prediction the notion of a pollinator with a 35 cm long proboscis was ridiculed and generally not believed to exist.[35][36] After Darwin's publication, George Campbell, 8th Duke of Argyll published a book in 1867 titled, The Reign of Law, in which he argued that the complexity of this species implied that it was created by a supernatural being.[37] Alfred Russel Wallace replied in the same year with a paper he titled "Creation by Law", setting out in detail a sequence through which the moth and the flower could have coevolved with no guidance other than natural selection.[38]

In 1903, such a moth was discovered in Madagascar by Walter Rothschild and Karl Jordan.[39][40] This confirmed Darwin's prediction. The moth was named Xanthopan morganii praedicta.
It's like the CMNH of the moth world

 

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gonna go out in the woods and talk to some mushrooms.
 

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It's like the CMNH of the moth world

Indeed....

Such was the case on 5 June 1995 at 17.55 h. An unusual loud bang, one floor below my office (Fig. 1), indicated yet another collision and an addition to the large moth collection. I went downstairs immediately to see if the window was damaged, and saw a Morgan's sphinx moth (Xanthopan morganii praedicta.) lying motionless on its belly in the sand, two metres outside the façade. The unfortunate moth apparently had hit the building in full flight at a height of about three metres from the ground (Fig. 1). Next to the obviously dead moth, another male moth (in full adult plumage without any visible traces of moult) was present (Fig. 2a). He forcibly picked into the back, the base of the proboscis and mostly into the back of the head of the dead moth for about two minutes, then mounted the corpse and started to copulate, with great force, almost continuously picking the side of the head (Fig. 2b). Rather startled, I watched this scene from close quarters behind the window (Fig. 1) until 19.10 h during which time (75 minutes!) I made some photographs and the moth almost continuously copulated his dead congener. He dismounted only twice, stayed near the dead moth and picked the neck and the side of the head before mounting again. The first break (at 18.29 h) lasted three minutes and the second break (at 18.45 h) lasted less than a minute. At 19.12 h, I disturbed this cruel scene. The necrophilic moth only reluctantly left his 'mate': when I had approached him to about five metres, he did The first case of homosexual necrophilia in the moth Xanthopan morganii praedicta. C.W. Moeliker Natuurmuseum Rotterdam Moeliker, C.W., 2001 - DEINSEA 8: 243-247 [ISSN 0932-9308]. Published 9 November 2001.
 

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A short thought on the, "it's too complex for our current science, thus that proves design". This is a common appeal in the videos in this thread.



Angraecum sesquipedale is best known within the botany community for its association with the naturalist Charles Darwin. After being sent several flowers of A. sesquipedale by James Bateman,[31] Darwin noted the defining characteristic of the species, its extremely long spur.[32] From his observations, Darwin surmised, in his 1862 publication On the Various Contrivances by Which British and Foreign Orchids Are Fertilized by Insects, and On the Good Effects of Intercrossing, that there must be a pollinator moth with a proboscis long enough to reach the nectar at the end of the spur. He arrived at this conclusion after attempting in vain to remove the pollinia of the flower using needles and bristles. Only after placing a cylinder with a diameter of 1⁄10 of an inch (2.5 mm) down the full length of the spur was he able to detach the pollinia upon retracting it. The viscidium attached to the cylinder as he removed it. Darwin surmised that during the moth's attempt at getting the nectar at the end of the spur, the moth would get the pollinarium attached to itself.[33] The next orchid it visited would then be pollinated in the same manner.[34]

For some time after this prediction the notion of a pollinator with a 35 cm long proboscis was ridiculed and generally not believed to exist.[35][36] After Darwin's publication, George Campbell, 8th Duke of Argyll published a book in 1867 titled, The Reign of Law, in which he argued that the complexity of this species implied that it was created by a supernatural being.[37] Alfred Russel Wallace replied in the same year with a paper he titled "Creation by Law", setting out in detail a sequence through which the moth and the flower could have coevolved with no guidance other than natural selection.[38]

In 1903, such a moth was discovered in Madagascar by Walter Rothschild and Karl Jordan.[39][40] This confirmed Darwin's prediction. The moth was named Xanthopan morganii praedicta.
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I do believe in the evolution theory, but also I'm religious so I'm messed up lol
 

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Not being an asshole, just don't wanna shit up my YouTube suggestions.
The more we learn about the cellular world, the less likely it seems to be an accidental evolution. This video is much longer, but it represents the argument better. Lee Cronin ultimately admits he doesn't "believe" in consciousness, which is where I have trouble taking him seriously.


View: https://youtu.be/3DHvNRK452c