Discussion in 'The Off-topic Lounge' started by teamquestnorth, Jan 25, 2017.
The governments put it in to ensure stability in the respective economies.
Its not countries suing other countries, its corporations suing countries for decisions like changing taxes, environmental standards, consumer protection etc. Some of those are normal, but 20 additional years after CETA is dead, and in international backroom courts controlled by god knows who?
Who does that help but big corporations? Certainly not the little guy that got laid off. You think he will get a big check 18 years later?
You can say stability, but you can also say it ensnares the countries not to act as freely in their normal democratic process, economic and domestic policies, when you have those things looming in the background.
If you guys decide to start a project favouring the change to electric cars, and VW and every other German car manufacturer decides to sue the shit out of you for it, will you be happy? In the end its your tax payers money.
Stability or stagnation? A win for you, your democracy, or the corporation?
So it's your opinion that the governments are negotiating a deal that protects big corporations so that down the road the same corporations will be able to take out lawsuits against them? You realize how utterly insane that logic sounds, right?
That's not what I'm saying. It's a big deal with a lot of provisions and a lot of angles for lobbyists to work their magic. You wanna say they have no influence?
How about its not that black and white, but somewhere in the grey area. Can still lead to problems.
Investment protection (not sure if right wording) is a special part in it and afaik is even downstreamed in CETA in terms of coming into effect. It is part of the Vietnam-deal, but interestingly not part of the Singapur-deal. There is always a little controversy about it.
Is it a crazy notion to think big tobacco might pay certain politicians $10million to pass certain bills so they can later sue the tax payers for $10 billion?
Not at all. A government negotiating provisions in order to facilitate it is though.
If you're operating under the assumption that the world's governments are invariably out to get us, what bother to care at all? If we believe governments fuck things up because they're inept (which history shows to be reasonably accurate) there's hope for things to be fixed. If we believe governments fuck things up because they're out to get us we might as well just give up now.
I don't think they're "out to get us" so much as that they're just corrupt and it's corporations that pull the strings so the government often acts against the peoples interest. I feel it's the exact opposite of give up time, but rather revolt time. However Trump scrapping the TPP is the first glimmer of hope that maybe there is now a president who will stand up for the people. Only time will tell.
Americans legalized bribery and now believe every politician is corrupt. Well, duh.
I'm sort of unhappy with the truth of the statement.
Soooo ... where tha wall at?
Viva La Mehico.
Until the return of cheem
a wall is dumb
but lol those people protesting are just still butthurt it seems
eating up the MSM brainwash like cosby pudding
the "wall" is such a great troll
Quit with the logic! Racist!
christ almighty that is a boner killer