PEDS and safety

[Morpheushasleftthebuilding]

A lot of talk about this, but my POV is:

A fighter doesn't care if his/her opponent is on PEDS, a fighter does care about eyepokes, weightcutting and having a life after his/her career.

 

[Zeph]

A lot of talk about this, but my POV is:

A fighter doesn't care if his/her opponent is on PEDS, a fighter does care about eyepokes, weightcutting and having a life after his/her career.

Joe Rogan made a good point on the last fight companion podcast. It isn't necessarily the opinions of fighters, but the opinions of sponsors, litigators and the general public that are important in considering whether to test for PEDS. These people already see the sport as fairly barbaric, filled with tattooed criminals and just generally low brow, rightly or wrongly, and if you then throw in that they are cheating PED abusers who are, in their eyes, beating each other into a pulp, then the sport suffers.

It suffers because it can't attract sponsors, it gets less exposure, so less people take it up, has trouble getting certain laws passed and any number of knock on effects that you can't even guess at. If the sport wants to legitimize in the eyes of the general public, then it can't be perceived to be roided out cheats indulging in gratuitous violence.

 

[Morpheushasleftthebuilding]

even cycling suffered from sponsors because of Lance or that dumb ass [h=3]Travis Tygart[/h]

 

[Mertvaya Ruka]

Plenty of fighters have come out and say there are huge safety issues, that you think that fighters don't care doesn't match reality and what we heard so far.

which fighter came out and said he doesn't care if his opponent is cheating?

 

[Morpheushasleftthebuilding]

Plenty of fighters have come out and say there are huge safety issues, that you think that fighters don't care doesn't match reality and what we heard so far.

which fighter came out and said he doesn't care if his opponent is cheating?

its a sport violation of the rules, just like holding the fence, illegal knees/kicks.
i thought Edgar said i beat them all, on or off the juice.

Furthermore the shots they don't see coming hurt the most, like after a KO and the ref is not to fast or bouncing off the mat with the back of your head.

 

[Mertvaya Ruka]

its a sport violation of the rules, just like holding the fence, illegal knees/kicks.
i thought Edgar said i beat them all, on or off the juice.

Furthermore the shots they don't see coming hurt the most, like after a KO and the ref is not to fast or bouncing off the mat with the back of your head.

so why are fighters doing it then?

you don't see a correlation between speed/power and potential trauma?

 

[Morpheushasleftthebuilding]

so why are fighters doing it then?

you don't see a correlation between speed/power and potential trauma?

fighters do it because of recovery and strength not to hit harder.
i do see the correlation, but its not the only correlation. damage in training, not taking time off, get hit after KO, getting hit with shots you don't see coming, mileage, not using headgear.

 

[Mertvaya Ruka]

fighters do it because of recovery and strength not to hit harder.
i do see the correlation, but its not the only correlation. damage in training, not taking time off, get hit after KO, getting hit with shots you don't see coming, mileage, not using headgear.

PEDs absolutely make fighters able to inflict greater amount of damage. Even in the case of drugs like EPO, if one fighter can sustain some unreal output during a fight and his opponent wilt, he's exposed to way greater risk of injury/trauma as the opponent has inhuman endurance.

Whatever you say, if a fighter dies in the cage and it turns out his opponent was on the juice, how do you think it will turn out?

People and the authorities will just disregard it and don't argue it contributed to the death?

Fantasy.

The other factors you are talking about are mostly things the fighters themselves can control, their opponents having super-natural abilities is not one of them.

 

[D241]

Joe Rogan made a good point on the last fight companion podcast. It isn't necessarily the opinions of fighters, but the opinions of sponsors, litigators and the general public that are important in considering whether to test for PEDS. These people already see the sport as fairly barbaric, filled with tattooed criminals and just generally low brow, rightly or wrongly, and if you then throw in that they are cheating PED abusers who are, in their eyes, beating each other into a pulp, then the sport suffers.

It suffers because it can't attract sponsors, it gets less exposure, so less people take it up, has trouble getting certain laws passed and any number of knock on effects that you can't even guess at. If the sport wants to legitimize in the eyes of the general public, then it can't be perceived to be roided out cheats indulging in gratuitous violence.

Joe Rogan, always bringing up valid points and views....that guy

 

[Morpheushasleftthebuilding]

PEDs absolutely make fighters able to inflict greater amount of damage. Even in the case of drugs like EPO, if one fighter can sustain some unreal output during a fight and his opponent wilt, he's exposed to way greater risk of injury/trauma as the opponent has inhuman endurance.

Whatever you say, if a fighter dies in the cage and it turns out his opponent was on the juice, how do you think it will turn out?

People and the authorities will just disregard it and don't argue it contributed to the death?

Fantasy.

The other factors you are talking about are mostly things the fighters themselves can control, their opponents having super-natural abilities is not one of them.

i only see one or two fighters complaing about peds and health/damage, its not even healthy to step into the cage.

 

[Mertvaya Ruka]

i only see one or two fighters complaing about peds and health/damage, its not even healthy to step into the cage.

Something I just read that address that, by Yves Edwards:

"Most guys I know don’t and haven’t juiced and are against it but when the subject comes up in the room even the guys who express no interest in using them also aren’t threatened by someone that is suspected of using or that has been disciplined for their use in the past but that’s a fighter’s mentality, that’s an athlete’s mentality. Let me give you an example, If a sprinter knows that another guy in the race has a better time than him they think, “I’m just going to have to run faster”. That attitude in a lot of instances reflects how fighters who don’t use PEDs feel about it also. “If he’s juicing he’s weak anyway so I’ll break him”, you have to have that mentality to be a fighter in the first place, in my opinion, but that attitude isn’t helping to get steroids out of the sport."

http://www.yvesedwards.com/mma-peds/

For this kind of issues, it's good to rely on a third party, the fighters deal with this in their own way with their competitive driven mentality, not exactly the most logical thinking.