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Pepe the Frog’s Creator Goes Legally Nuclear Against the Alt-Right
Pepe the Frog’s Creator Goes Legally Nuclear Against the Alt-Right

Pepe the Frog creator Matt Furie has made good on his threat to "aggressively enforce his intellectual property."

The artist's lawyers have taken legal action against the alt-right. They have served cease and desist orders to several alt-right personalities and websites including Richard Spencer, Mike Cernovich, and the r/the_Donald subreddit. In addition, they have issued Digital Millennium Copyright Act takedown requests to Reddit and Amazon, notifying them that use of Pepe by the alt-right on their platforms is copyright infringement. The message is to the alt-right is clear—stop using Pepe the Frog or prepare for legal consequences.


Furie originally created Pepe as a non-political character for his Boy's Club comic, but Pepe later became an internet meme and during the 2016 US presidential election the alt-right movement appropriated the frog in various grotesque and hateful memes.

At the end of August, Furie's lawyers reached a settlement with Eric Hauser—the former assistant principal in Texas who appropriated Pepe's image for use in an Islamophobic children's book. Furie's lawyers forced Hauser to stop selling the book and made him donate his profits to the Council on American-Islamic Relations.

When Hauser agreed to settle out of court, I spoke with Furie's lawyers who told me they would use the Hauser settlement as a springboard to go after anyone else who profited from or misused Pepe. It appears they've made good on that promise.

Wilmer Cutler Pickering Hale and Dorr LLP continues to represent Furie pro-bono, and recently told me that it has taken the first steps to prying Pepe loose from the hands of the alt-right.

"[Furie] was very serious when he said that we wanted to make clear that Pepe was not the property of the alt-right and couldn't be used by the alt-right," Louis Tompros, one of Furie's intellectual property lawyers, told me. "But actions speak louder than words and we wanted to make sure we were backing up that statement against entities that were misappropriating the Pepe character and image. That's what we've been doing over the past few weeks."


To that end, Tompros and his team have taken the first steps towards dismantling the alt-right's stranglehold on Pepe. They've served a cease and desist letter to Richard Spencer's Altright.com, noting the specific places where Spencer and his team have used Pepe in violation of Furie's copyright. Pepe is all over Spencer's site and is the mascot for his podcast, Alt-Right Politics.

"We've asked them to take them down," Tompros said. "That hasn't happened yet, but they're very much on notice. We plan to take action if they don't."

Tompros and team have also gone after alt-right figure Baked Alaska, serving cease and desist letters to him and DMCA notices to Amazon, Twitter and his other online social media spaces. According to the lawyers, they also got Amazon to stop selling his book, Meme Magic: Secrets Revealed, which used Pepe on its cover. Meme Magic is currently not available on Amazon.com, but a used copy was for sale on Amazon.co.uk at the time of publishing.

"Google Play has stopped selling his Build the Wall: The Game for the same reason. It actually advertised special guest appearance from Pepe and had him popping up if you achieved certain things in the game," Tompros said. Previously, Apple had refused to publish the game until it removed Pepe the Frog. Apple has a blanket ban against Pepe the frog that it has enforced against multiple app creators.

"Mike Cernovich had a number of different uses of Pepe but most notably had this video he was publicising through his Facebook and YouTube that was a 3D version of Pepe dancing with Hillary Clinton reading aloud sections of her new book," Tompros said. "That's an unauthorized use of Pepe and we've notified him."


Tompros told me that large entities such as Amazon and Google have been the most compliant so far. Stamping out the multiple vendors peddling Pepe mech on Amazon will be difficult, but the team has already succeeded in removing several shirts from the market, including the one worn by Morris May when he pepper sprayed a transgender activist in early September.

Amazon, Reddit, Twitter, Google, YouTube, Mike Cernovich, Baked Alaska, and Richard Spencer did not immediately respond to request for comment.

DMCA takedowns have become a popular way for media companies to strike back against social media influencers they don't like for a variety of reasons, including reasons that go beyond mere copyright infringement. Earlier this month, video game developer Campo Santo served a DMCA notice to popular YouTuber Pewdiepie in response to the latter's use of racial slur during his show.

Furie's lawyers have sent DMCAs to Reddit, and have also used the site's internal formal reporting procedures to reign in the popular r/The_Donald subreddit. The online community is one of the the alt-right's most popular gathering places and makes liberal use of Pepe the Frog. A giant Pepe the Frog dominates a quarter of the screen for Redditors who haven't subscribed to the subreddit. You have to click him—and thereby subscribe to r/The_Donald—to make him go away.

As of this reporting, the giant Pepe remains, but Tombros told me that they'd only contacted Reddit Friday. "My suspicion is that Reddit will take that down," he said.


Pepe on the Subreddit. Image: Matthew Gault screengrab
If Reddit or r/the_donald's moderators don't police the use of Pepe in the subreddit, Furie's lawyers are prepared to file lawsuits and fight to free Pepe from the clutches of the alt-right in a court of law. "If necessary, we expect to bring a lawsuit for copyright infringement," Tompros said. "I want to make sure that people have enough time to comply. The goal here is not to initiate lawsuits. The goal is to get the misuse of Pepe to stop. I'd rather do that through people complying with the cease and desist notices. But we're certainly ready, willing, and able to bring suits to follow up for the folks who do not comply."

In the past, the alt-right has attacked its enemies with vicious doxing and online abuse campaigns. Tompros and his team understand that's a risk, but it's one they're willing to take.


"We're doing what we think is the right thing," he said. "We understand that we're dealing with serious folks here and we want to make clear to them that we're serious too. We're not going to stand for this."

The legal battle with Hauser has give the team both hope and precedent. "It shows we're serious," Tompros said. "It shows the copyright has been enforced before...as we have more and more of these actions where we're successfully able to remove misuse of the Pepe image and character, they'll build upon each other. I'm hopeful we'll reach a place where this stops, where the alt-right realizes it's too much trouble dealing with us to be misappropriating this character and they move on."

Furie has continued to avoid speaking with the media about Pepe, but Tompros told me the win against Hauser lifted his spirits. "That's been powerful for him," the lawyer said. "He's ready and wants to keep up the fight and wants to take down anyone who's using his character. He's also received words of support from fans and others. He's taking comfort in that."

"We're going to keep on fighting," Tompros said. "I hope we're doing what others would do when it's there to turn to stand up for the good guys."

As of this writing, Pepe shirts were still available on Amazon—though it seemed there were far fewer available than normal—and Pepe was still visible on Cernovich and Spencer's sites as well as r/The_Donald subreddit.


Correction: This story originally stated that Wilmer Cutler Pickering Hale and Dorr LLP sent DMCA notices to Twitter and YouTube. It sent those notices to Reddit, Google Play, and Amazon. Motherboard regrets the error.
 
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None of this will stick or stop the internet.

Streisand effect combined with a completely undefined term of "alt right" combined with most of the pepe memes being original content that will blur the lines of fair use in some cases.

Copyright must be equally enforced or licensed or it doesn't hold up. Only direct monetizing will probably stick.
 

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This Is the First Copyright Infringement Lawsuit Filed Against a Pepe Meme Maker

Matt Furie's lawyers have made good on their promise to pursue legal action against alt-righters profiting from his now-infamous creation, Pepe the Frog. On Tuesday, his lawyers sued Kansas City artist Jessica Logsdon in US District Court for the Western District of Missouri.

Logsdon creates oil paintings with political themes and over the past year has generated a lot of Pepe-related content, which she sells on Ebay. Furie's law firm, Wilmer Cutler Pickering Hale and Dorr, hit Logsdon and others with cease and desist orders and DMCA takedowns last month in a series of legal moves meant to help Furie wrest control of Pepe away from the alt-right and others who would profit from him.



Right-wing online personalities such as Mike Cernovich and Baked Alaska generally complied with the takedown notices, but Logsdon fought back. Square hosts Logsdon's website and WilmerHale sent a takedown notice to the provider to get the artist to remove the offending Pepe's from her site. In response, Logsdon sent a counter notice to her provider, claiming she was within her legal rights to use the Pepes. That action triggered the lawsuit, according to Furie's lawyers.

"The only option available to us to stop her infringing activity was to bring a case in court," Louis Tompros, a lawyer who represents Furie, told me via email. "Whether the parties ultimately try this case to a judge or a jury is something that will be determined later...What [Furie] wants is to make sure that nobody is using Pepe in connection with hateful messages, and that nobody is profiting from that use. We are open to a settlement, assuming it involves at least Logsdon admitting infringement, turning over profits, and agreeing to stop making and selling infringing works."



Screengrab from eBay at time of publication.
The 118-page lawsuit (embedded below) is a whirlwind ride through the last 18 months of American politics. "Logsdon offers for sale a copy of Pepe the Frog which she named
'Alt-Right'...and another work entitled 'Pepe Patrol,' featuring an image of Pepe
pointing a machine gun over a wall labeled 'US Border,'" the lawsuit said. "According to Logsdon's Twitter feed, @USARTStar, she claims to have sold oil paintings featuring Pepe the Frog, including one called 'Antifa' depicting an image of a masked Pepe holding a machine gun in front of what appears to be the White House...and another with Pepe making an 'OK' sign with his hands below—a gesture associated with the alt-right."


Logsdon, for her part, said she is not a member of the alt-right. "I am a painter, not the least alt-right," Logsdon told me on Twitter after I first reported the Pepe-related cease-and-desist letters in September.


"Nope. No chance. Frivolous lawsuit," she said in another tweet, and posted a screencap of a tweet she'd sent to WilmerHale. "I understand what it feels like to be afraid. Dark alley, group of lawyers stumble up. They don't like my art so they rape me."



Images via lawsuit.
Court filings showed that someone purporting to be Logsdon took to 4chan's /pol/ community days before sending this tweet to talk about her situation, and promised to fight the lawsuit on all fronts. The post invoked "Kek," the the name of an Egyptian god with a frog head that has become synonymous with "meme magic" among various 4channers, Redditors, and other members of Trump's "meme army."

"[Furie] has a high-powered law firm pursuing me for painting Pepe," the person claiming to be Logsdon wrote on /pol/ on September 17, according to the lawsuit. Though 4channers generally post anonymously, the person posting on 4chan posted using Logsdon's name and uploaded letters from WilmerHale as well as Logsdon's response, in addition to original artwork from the case, which had not been posted elsewhere online.

"I am planning on fighting this on many fronts, but most important among them is that I am exercising my religious freedom as a Kekistani," the post continued. "Of course I have not mentioned this in my official response as I do not want to play my cards...we all know that KEK is real, that meme magic is real, and that the Old Order is extremely threatened by the manifestation of KEK in the modern world. This is the further manifestation of that fear."





The poster is talking about meme magic, an at-times-kind-of-seemingly-serious-sounding occult belief popular among the alt-right. According to believers, constantly shitposting Pepe memes during the 2016 election cycle manifested the will of the shitposters and elected Donald Trump. Kekistan is the fictitious nation-state for the alt-right meme magic makers; the Kekistani are its citizens.

On September 20, Logsdon mailed WilmerHale a Pepe oil painting, according to Tompros and the court filing. "The painting featured Pepe hugging an American flag and the text 'SHH,' 'NO TEARS,' and 'ONLY MEMES NOW,'" the lawsuit reads. "The painting was not accompanied by any note or other explanation."


"We were surprised," Tompros told me via email when I asked about the painting. "It is certainly an unusual response to a cease-and-desist letter to send one of the infringing products to copyright owner's lawyer, without any explanatory letter."

WilmerHale wants Logsdon to stop posting Pepe on her website, and to stop selling her oil paintings on Ebay. They're also pursuing damages and the profits Logsdon has already made from her meme magic masterworks. The artist claims she was never in it to make a profit.

"I was not painting Pepe to make $$$, at all," she wrote on /pol/. "It costs me money to sell my memes...I was not on social media so I was selling my art at $0.99 plus shipping cost in order to reach an audience. The end user pays for internet the same way an analogue meme consumer pays for shipping."

As of this writing, Logsdon's paintings are still up on Ebay for $0.99 plus $37 for shipping. The artist tweeted at me in mid September, but did not respond to my request for comment on this story.

 

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None of this will stick or stop the internet.

Streisand effect combined with a completely undefined term of "alt right" combined with most of the pepe memes being original content that will blur the lines of fair use in some cases.

Copyright must be equally enforced or licensed or it doesn't hold up. Only direct monetizing will probably stick.
So in that case, me, Zeph @MMA Expert Skip Bayless @conor mcgregor nut hugger and KWingJitsu @KWingJitsu are declaring ourselves official owners of TMMAC and will use its brand to co-promote Our Revolution fundraisers.
 

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This is clearly impossible because everyone knows anything associated with Pepe the Frog is a Nazi.
 

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So in that case, me, Zeph @MMA Expert Skip Bayless @conor mcgregor nut hugger and KWingJitsu @KWingJitsu are declaring ourselves official owners of TMMAC and will use its brand to co-promote Our Revolution fundraisers.

If 4chan decided to spread tmmac memes, there's no way I could stop it. And if I tried in court, I'd only be successful against those profiting.

I don't think that's controversial. That's the reality of the internet.

The "alt right" is not an organization you can go after. Just like the guy that just failed suing BLM.
 

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It just dawned on me


Pepe is a Spanish sounding name.

Frogs are French.

But pepe le poo was French too.

And he's a skunk



Hmmmmm
 

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kneeblock

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If 4chan decided to spread tmmac memes, there's no way I could stop it. And if I tried in court, I'd only be successful against those profiting.

I don't think that's controversial. That's the reality of the internet.

The "alt right" is not an organization you can go after. Just like the guy that just failed suing BLM.
The C&Ds name specific individuals and the DMCA claim targets specific platforms. There are plenty of precedents for enforcement in either case. The "reality of the internet" is highly contestable and always has been. I will wave my TMMAC/DNC flag proudly in front of the Liberty Bell!
 

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The C&Ds name specific individuals and the DMCA claim targets specific platforms. There are plenty of precedents for enforcement in either case. The "reality of the internet" is highly contestable and always has been. I will wave my TMMAC/DNC flag proudly in front of the Liberty Bell!

Think we are talking past each other.
I'm not talking specific court cases. I'm talking the general premise of pepe the creator stopping "the alt right" from coopting his work via memes.


This and the Pepe the frog news has surely given Splinty @Splinty serious gastro-intestinal constipation.
We send him our 'thoughts and prayers'.
I get diarrhea when I'm stressed. That and fear boners. It's not pretty sight.
 

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Think we are talking past each other.
I'm not talking specific court cases. I'm talking the general premise of pepe the creator stopping "the alt right" from coopting his work via memes.
That's the just the framing device of the article. He's targeting individuals and platforms to reduce the spread of his property, or likely set a precedent for obtaining remuneration in the case of use, either of which may have a deterrent effect at best. The "TMMAC sez UN needs Hillary for Hegemon" memes are thus far diffusing only slowly I'm afraid.