General Philippines' Duterte cancels Canada Bell helicopter deal

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Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte on Friday abruptly cancelled a US$235 million contract to buy 16 helicopters from Canada after Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's government ordered a review over human rights concerns.

"I want to tell the armed forces to cut the deal. Do not proceed anymore, and somehow we will look for another supplier," he said of the deal for 16 Bell 412EPI utility helicopters announced by the two governments this week.

Ottawa said Thursday that the deal was under review due to concerns over the human rights record of Duterte, the subject of a complaint in the International Criminal Court over the alleged "mass murder" of thousands of Filipino drug suspects.

Bell Helicopter said in an announcement of the deal that the aircraft were intended "for a variety of missions such as disaster relief, search and rescue, passenger transport and utility transport".

However Manila said they would also be used for "anti-terrorism" operations, including to evacuate soldiers wounded fighting insurgents.

Philippine troops are battling militants in the Muslim south and communist guerrillas in other parts of the mainly Catholic Asian nation.

Duterte said Friday he respected Canada's stand but added it was unavoidable that the Philippine air force would used the choppers "against the rebels and terrorists".

"Do not buy anymore from Canada and the US because there is always a condition attached," he said, adding that he was referring to defence materiel.

"If I cannot use the gunship, the helicopter, then I might as well surrender this government to them," he said, referring to the rebels.

"The reason I'm buying helicopters is because I want to finish them off," Duterte added.

Canadian Foreign Minister Chrystia Freeland said Thursday that an "extremely rigorous human rights review" would be undertaken before any export permit was issued over the helicopter contract, facilitated by the Canadian Commercial Corp.

"The prime minister and I have been very clear about the Duterte regime's human rights abuses and the extrajudicial killings," she told parliament.

"I have the authority to deny a permit if I feel that it poses a risk to human rights, and I am prepared to do so," Freeland added.

Trudeau said in November he had called out Duterte over "human rights, the rule of law, and specifically extrajudicial killings".

Duterte, who has overseen a crackdown that has left nearly 4,000 drug suspects dead at the hands of the police, later described Trudeau's comments as "a personal and official insult".

The Philippine government says police have only shot suspects in self-defence and rejects human rights monitors' description of the crackdown as a crime against humanity.
 
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Duterte's regime has very likely committed many human rights abuses, but give me a fucking break. The U.S. sells military equipment to countries like Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and Israel and doesn't attach any conditions to the use of said equipment.
 

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Congrats Canadian helicopter workers that thought they had a secure job.
I remember seeing Chrystia Freeland on the financial networks as a pundit when she was at the Financial Times, she didn't seem a very stable person & most points she made were nothing more than emotionalism, which are exactly the qualities I'd guess Trudeau would look for in a Foreign Minister. Guess the important thing is they feel good about themselves while the Philippines gets helicopters from somewhere else
 

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Duterte not getting his hands on more weapons is absolutely a good thing. The guy is a genuine sociopath.
 

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Trudeau straight fucking things up.

Duterte will do what he does no matter who he get's his weapons from.

Fucking virtue signalling just for the fuck of it. Costing honest people work.

Damn near every Filipino person I speak to speaks highly of Duterte......If they don't have a problem with him I sure as hell don't.

Onetrickpony @Onetrickpony what do you and your family think of Duterte?
 

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since when do you get to say what people do with something after you sell it to them? once the money is paid it is their to do with as they please. it duturte wants to fly them in to the ocean then go right the fuck ahead as soon as the check clears
 

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since when do you get to say what people do with something after you sell it to them? once the money is paid it is their to do with as they please. it duturte wants to fly them in to the ocean then go right the fuck ahead as soon as the check clears
Because Trudeau has to virtue signal and pretend he is somehow better.
 

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I remember seeing Chrystia Freeland on the financial networks as a pundit when she was at the Financial Times, she didn't seem a very stable person & most points she made were nothing more than emotionalism, which are exactly the qualities I'd guess Trudeau would look for in a Foreign Minister. Guess the important thing is they feel good about themselves while the Philippines gets helicopters from somewhere else
Yup, she was a journalist, very left-leaning and has only been in politics for 5 years yet she is now the Canadian Foreign Minister, kind of a scary thought. Duerte's methodology of dealing with terrorists flies in the face of Canada's accepted model of making returning terrorists multi-millionaires along with a tear filled national apology.
 
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since when do you get to say what people do with something after you sell it to them? once the money is paid it is their to do with as they please. it duturte wants to fly them in to the ocean then go right the fuck ahead as soon as the check clears
Normally conditions are attached to the sale of military equipment BEFORE the sale is finalized.

But yeah, not after
 

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Normally conditions are attached to the sale of military equipment BEFORE the sale is finalized.
Sort of.

It's impossible to enforce anything of that nature, and it's extremely difficult to quantify a lot of these terms. It's why so few people are charged with war crimes.
 
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Sort of.

It's impossible to enforce anything of that nature, and it's extremely difficult to quantify a lot of these terms. It's why so few people are charged with war crimes.
Yes it's impossible to enforce it, but you can cease to provide military equipment to a nation if they violate the restrictions placed on said sale.

Germany recently scrapped a deal to provide tanks to Turkey for instance
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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but you can cease to provide military equipment to a nation if they violate the restrictions placed on said sale.
Even then, it's a "sort of" proposition. In the instance of countries being NATO members, and other shit like that. They can do whatever the fuck they want and you're still stuck defending them so shutting off the flow of arms to them is cutting of your nose to spite your face.

Germany recently scrapped a deal to provide tanks to Turkey for instance
The German government trying to dictate how people run their countries? You don't say.
 

Dashabox

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Please don't make it seem like it's the general public who supports that model.
Well, when I said Canada I meant the Gov't. Thought that was implied. I would say the overwhelming majority of the population hated that move and took it for what it was, a slight to the nation.
 

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Well, when I said Canada I meant the Gov't. Thought that was implied. I would say the overwhelming majority of the population hated that move and took it for what it was, a slight to the nation.
It was the phrasing of "Canada's accepted model" that to me as a reader made it sound like Canadians willingly accept it. If it was a misunderstanding by me, then my bad.
 

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Yup, she was a journalist, very left-leaning and has only been in politics for 5 years yet she is now the Canadian Foreign Minister, kind of a scary thought. Duerte's methodology of dealing with terrorists flies in the face of Canada's accepted model of making returning terrorists multi-millionaires along with a tear filled national apology.
I did see Trudeau say that he thought returning ISIS fighters would be reformed & a leading example for Canadians in the future, I'm sure that'll work out swell. Maybe it's time for Trump to bomb Canada & get it out of its stupor